AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[Sacha]

This is your former ALPA rep? ^^^^^^^

Stunning.

 

[Ty Webb]

This is your former ALPA rep? ^^^^^^^

Stunning.

Actually, he is "right on".

Anyone participating in a frivolous lawsuit will get exactly what they deserve... Years of grief, stress, and wasted $$. Just because you can find a lawyer willing to take your money doesn't mean you have a case.... And if he's not willing to take it on contingency, you don't have a case, or enough of one to be worthwhile.

 

[madjack]

How ironic

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, MJ (Mad Jerk)

Seeing you post your angry rants each weekend from your OAK crashpad reminds me that sometimes, just sometimes, people do get what they deserve.

I'm posting this from a barrier Island in the Gulf of Mexico. Spending most of the Summer down here (well, I am working 6 days in July). Thanks for "holding down the fort" out West.

:beer:

 

[maxblast72]

Anyone participating in a frivolous lawsuit will get exactly what they deserve... Years of grief, stress, and wasted $$.

No stress in this lawsuit for the plaintiffs, just $50/month. Call me crazy, but I actually enjoyed my 7 hr deposition in NYC. Depositions aren't hard when there is nothing to hide. I was in the room for both the former ATN MC Vice Chair's and former ATN 71 LEC Chair's deposition. One was stressful for the deponent while the other was a walk in the park. I will let you guess which was easier than the other.

 

[PCL_128]

No stress in this lawsuit for the plaintiffs, just $50/month. Call me crazy, but I actually enjoyed my 7 hr deposition in NYC. Depositions aren't hard when there is nothing to hide. I was in the room for both the former ATN MC Vice Chair's and former ATN 71 LEC Chair's deposition. One was stressful for the deponent while the other was a walk in the park. I will let you guess which was easier than the other.

"Stressful?" You crack me up with these melodramatic characterizations. Even if you were to win your silly lawsuit (fat chance, but hypothetically), "Slick" has nothing to lose. He can't be held personally liable, so his life changes not one iota. The idea that he would be "stressed" when that is the case is comical. You've got an overactive imagination.

As for me, if hypothetically I was someone who was getting deposed for this nonsense, I wouldn't be the least bit stressed. Maybe a little pissed off that my time was being wasted for such silliness, but that's about it.

 

[madjack]

Ty, posting on vaca, now that's healthy...see ya in OAK slick, can't wait for the welcome party.

 

[waveflyer]

Who said that's what I wanted? I didn't.
I would have liked a fair deal, that's all, but that didn't happen.
You said it "protect what's ours" Sums it up and demonstrates where the lack of respect comes from.
You're correct, it's not your problem. This mess we have now is our problem, that's why we filed with the DRC to fix our problem. That's why I will file a grievance in August when the first FO that didn't bid SWA737FO goes to training before me. That is breach of contract. It won't do any good but I may as well get something from my ALPA dues

This argument is always about the details.
PCL has said over and over that AT's WORST case scenario should have been date of hire-
That's fair to him- pushing for relative, but landing somewhere between relative and DOH where all ex AT pilots now get a seniority position where they can pretend they were qualified and hired by SWA years BEFORE they were actually hired by Air Tran.

Is that what was "FAIR" to you?

If not help me out. My position is that your expectations are your problem. Explain to me what a fair SLI would've looked like.
In your own words Brit

 

[fletch717]

This argument is always about the details.
PCL has said over and over that AT's WORST case scenario should have been date of hire-
That's fair to him- pushing for relative, but landing somewhere between relative and DOH where all ex AT pilots now get a seniority position where they can pretend they were qualified and hired by SWA years BEFORE they were actually hired by Air Tran.

Is that what was "FAIR" to you?

If not help me out. My position is that your expectations are your problem. Explain to me what a fair SLI would've looked like.
In your own words Brit

I know of no one that wanted or expected a hire date at SWA before their actual AT hire date, stop being so melodramatic. Before you drag out SLI 1, it had a 30 percent seniority loss (average) also.

 

[Ty Webb]

No stress in this lawsuit for the plaintiffs, just $50/month. Call me crazy, but I actually enjoyed my 7 hr deposition in NYC. Depositions aren't hard when there is nothing to hide. I was in the room for both the former ATN MC Vice Chair's and former ATN 71 LEC Chair's deposition. One was stressful for the deponent while the other was a walk in the park. I will let you guess which was easier than the other.

Glad it was so entertaining for you that you're giggling like a schoolgirl about it . . . I'm sure that the transcripts of your deposition would be equally mirth-provoking, but I'm not interested enough to read it. . . .

The stress and expense I was referring to is not in the present, but over the course of the next 5-7 years as the fun wears off, and the other contributors cut their losses and bail.

 

[canyonblue]

Before you drag out SLI 1, it had a 30 percent seniority loss (average) also.

Thirty percent on a relative scale, not from your DOH at AirTran. How the hell does this keep getting misrepresented. Guess the melodrama over there makes more sense now.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Thirty percent on a relative scale, not from your DOH at AirTran. How the hell does this keep getting misrepresented. Guess the melodrama over there makes more sense now.

Some of us lost 30% off DOH as well. At over 12yrs, I'm slotted in with 8yr guys. Is this what you'd rather see or hear?

 

[Ty Webb]

Some of us lost 30% off DOH as well. At over 12yrs, I'm slotted in with 8yr guys. Is this what you'd rather see or hear?

Yep. I'm a late 2001 hire, slotted in with mid-2005 SWA hires; a loss of 3.5 years or 30%.

My loss of relative was worse, going from 28% to 64%

 

[GoodTimes]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

Were you fired or were you furloughed and didn't take the recall? Did the company go out of business and/or file bankruptcy? If any of this is true, I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.

It is telling though that you consider ending up at WN after losing a legacy job as a "lost career".

 

[madjack]

You will be SR FOs on a 7000 pilot list, life will be Better than you think...

 

[scoreboardII]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

Game set match.

 

[scoreboardII]

I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.
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Merger? I'm not seeing any UCAL like airplanes painted in memory AT colors? We still having trouble understanding the term acquisition?

 

[GoodTimes]

Were you fired or were you furloughed and didn't take the recall? Did the company go out of business and/or file bankruptcy? If any of this is true, I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.

It is telling though that you consider ending up at WN after losing a legacy job as a "lost career".

Recall came after I'd been at SWA for over a year. I would have endured a second furlough had I gone back.

I'd call it an acquisition.

We can debate all day the idea of AAI being a "major airline".

It's a "lost career" until one lands another job. I was lucky and ended up at SWA. My point being, things change in this industry and careers change accordingly. Time to man up and move on. You're side doesn't have a monopoly on failed expectations.

 

[Ty Webb]

Recall came after I'd been at SWA for over a year. I would have endured a second furliugh had I gone back.

I'd call it an acquisition.

We can debate all day the idea of AAI being a "major airline".
.

You'd be a debating society of one.

Major airline is defined by the DOT. AirTran revenue exceeded this threshold by 250%.

As far as operations, one of the two airlines in the merger was operating internationally . . .

Guess which airline was first in LGA, BOS, PHL, DEN?

Hint- it wasn't SWA.

Gary Kelly knew what he was doing when he bought AirTran . . . two and a half years later, you still haven;t figured it out.