AirTran MEC CYA

[GhettoBeechjet]

I don't know about Howard but I think GL was a master at "Bader Express"

 

[HowardBorden]

who did you fly metro's for? Was it for Atlantic City express or Bader Express or whatever the name was?

Many years of night freight. It was 15+ years ago and I'm still tired. If I never see backside of the clock flying ever again I will be a happy man.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,

Explain to me how you envision "the golden rule" playing out through an SLI process.

Simple: stick to both the letter and the spirit of the Process Agreement, don't threaten to end the careers of one party if they insist on using the entire process in the agreement, and carry through with the integration after an arbitrator's award, just like they said they would.

When I talk about the "golden rule" lie that SWA tells, I'm not talking about the pilots, SWAPA, or any specific integration methodology. I'm only talking about management not lying and threatening people. Lies and threats don't go with the "golden rule," and claiming that it's "just business" doesn't cut it. Either you believe in following the golden role or you don't. If you do, it should apply to business just like it applies to personal relationships.

 

[waveflyer]

You and your union had a role in this PCL-
The golden rule doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want

We all tried to tell you that LUV and the golden rule doesn't mean we're "soft"-
You know damn well you were trying to leverage our culture for your own gain- and look ^^^ you're still trying to.

That won't ever work here. And that's a good thing.

 

[redflyer65]

We all tried to tell you that LUV and the golden rule doesn't mean we're "soft"-

It was said on here many, many times.

Maybe we should have just handed them everything....sigh.

 

[GoodTimes]

Let me get this straight. Your new management makes it abundantly clear that they would prefer a negotiated agreement. You manage to arrive at said agreement through good faith bargaining, then proceed to delay for over a month, return to the bargaining table to extract some extras from your new bosses and finally proceed, much to everyone's dismay, to prevent your membership the simple privilege of a vote.

Back to the golden rule thingy. Are the actions of your group indicative of how you'd like to be treated? If so, I'd say it played out well. This thing works both ways, PCL.

 

[canyonblue]

Back to the golden rule thingy. Are the actions of your group indicative of how you'd like to be treated? If so, I'd say it played out well. This thing works both ways, PCL.

Mess with the Golden Rule and you end up with a Golden Shower.

 

[Ty Webb]

Here is repost of what I told roomwithaview back in March.

I am so sick of people spewing this BS. The payrates we have today are the same as what was negotiated in the 2007 TA that we turned down. Southwest did not walk in and give us anything more than what we had already negotiated long ago. Did they force our management to speed up the process? Sure. But SWA didn't give us anything. So please stop proclaiming things that you know nothing about.

It also forced our Pilot Group to speed up the process (by accepting the rates we had previously rejected) as many believed that we would be working under this contract for only a short period of time, and it would be better to get something than nothing.

 

[FDJ2]

It was said on here many, many times.

Maybe we should have just handed them everything....sigh.

I don't think anyone was asking for anything to be handed to them, I think that all they wanted was an opportunity to make their case in front of a neutral arbitrator in a process all had previously agreed to.

The promises made of a fair process was taken from them through threats and coercion. The end result is that in the minds of many SWA pilots (former Airtran), their seniority was stolen from them at the point of a gun. And who can blame them. This will have negative repercussions at SWA for decades.

All of this could have been mitigated if everyone had followed through on their promise of a fair process and integration, but that didn't happen.

 

[redflyer65]

I don't think anyone was asking for anything to be handed to them, I think that all they wanted was an opportunity to make their case in front of a neutral arbitrator in a process all had previously agreed to.

The promises made of a fair process was taken from them through threats and coercion. The end result is that in the minds of many SWA pilots (former Airtran), their seniority was stolen from them at the point of a gun. And who can blame them. This will have negative repercussions at SWA for decades.

All of this could have been mitigated if everyone had followed through on their promise of a fair process and integration, but that didn't happen.

You mean the magnificent seven didn't have anything to do with it?

I think ALPA pulled the rug out from underneath you more than SW did.

Gary stated he wanted a negotiated agreement. Both sides agreed to one (in principle). The MEC sounded astonished with the agreement, which is really bizarre. The MEC wanted one thing......arbitration. That it, that's one of the reasons it took them a month to decide what to do. Complete stall tactic plain and simple.

They decided to back Gary in a corner and he acted accordingly. Go back to point number one....he wanted a negotiated agreement. It's called BATNA and the AAI MEC didn't understand it.

The first shot on the agreement (no matter what it might have looked like) was going to be the best. It looks like the MEC understood this, but the MEC didn't.