AirTran MEC CYA

[FDJ2]

The other employee group's arbitrated awards rightfully gave SW employees a higher position relative to the former AT employees. You guys keep saying you would have done better in arbitration. You are counting on a law uncontested (so far) in court that you think would have helped you.

In reality, without that remote possibility, and without leaning on the supposed outcome based on B-M, you would have been lucky to all make the bottom of the list! Just like EVERY pilot to ever come to SWA before you.

So talk about poisoning the workgroup all you want, but the only problem is YOU and your crazy expectations.

No need for B-M when a transition agreement is honored by all sides. Both "negotiated/extorted" agreements were spawned though coercion and therefore by definition they are not agreements.

Too bad the list wasn't a result of a clean and fair process.

I can understand why you wouldn't want a highly experienced neutral arbitrator to listen to both sides of the story, you prefer the result of a coerced deal that took captain seats from one pilot group and awarded them to another. JMHO from a distance.

 

[waveflyer]

That is the funniest statement of the week right there. Were you the FO who would not even say good morning to me the other day? Let me give you an update there frog boy, you are part of the problem too.

Phred

No phred.

I don't agree with his staple comment-

But the angst from AT is ABSOLUTELY the out of touch unrealistic expectations.

I've heard from way too many AT pilots who honestly believed DOH would be their worst case scenario.

That's not rational.

 

[waveflyer]

Hey FDJ-
Aren't you a delta pilot?

 

[Just thinking]

The other employee group's arbitrated awards rightfully gave SW employees a higher position relative to the former AT employees. You guys keep saying you would have done better in arbitration. You are counting on a law uncontested (so far) in court that you think would have helped you.

In reality, without that remote possibility, and without leaning on the supposed outcome based on B-M, you would have been lucky to all make the bottom of the list! Just like EVERY pilot to ever come to SWA before you.

So talk about poisoning the workgroup all you want, but the only problem is YOU and your crazy expectations.

Were you the SWA FO who made an azz of himself by making the idiotic comment to the VP boarding the aircraft about the "Airtran" people. (The VP is former Airtran) Are you passing out the poison pills?

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Were you the SWA FO who made an azz of himself by making the idiotic comment to the VP boarding the aircraft about the "Airtran" people. (The VP is former Airtran) Are you passing out the poison pills?

Keep thinking..

 

[Phlintstone]

No phred.

I don't agree with his staple comment-

But the angst from AT is ABSOLUTELY the out of touch unrealistic expectations.

I've heard from way too many AT pilots who honestly believed DOH would be their worst case scenario.

That's not rational.

I've heard that from many CAs too. I really do not think that would've been the award either but...we will never know. No use debating it. But AT guys are not the entire problem. People like him (on boths sides) are the problem.

Phred

 

[PCL_128]

I've heard from way too many AT pilots who honestly believed DOH would be their worst case scenario.

That's not rational.

We'll see. These past couple of weeks, the CAL Merger Committee has essentially been making the exact same arguments that your side was making. "We were in much better financial shape." "Our balance sheet was much stronger." "We were paid a lot more." "The contract gains that they got from the merger were significant." And so on, and so on. The same stuff you were saying. And from these arguments, they've crafted a proposal that gives most UAL pilots a significant relative seniority hit. So, we'll see in a few short months how much those arguments really hold up in front of a panel of three very experienced arbitrators, including the very same chairman of the panel that we would have had in our case. My prediction? The same thing that would have happened in our case: ratio by status and category.

Your arguments are being put to the test in a real arbitration scenario. Want to place any wagers on their effectiveness?

 

[waveflyer]

Apples to oranges PCL
Let me research it more to see the applicability-

But offhand, a) united had lots of furloughs at the time
b) the discrepancy between contracts wasnt as great as ours were
c) no airline compares to SWA- nobody else has pilots leave legacy widebody jobs to come work for a 737 operator, no other 737 size operator makes the money we make (widebody wages for the pilots and sustained profitability as a company)

I see continental and united as much more equitable jobs than SWA v AT

But I'm sure that will be labeled arrogant

We all know these things cycle, especially among alpa carriers bc pattern bargaining is their design-
SWA has almost always been a good company, but not always the best job-
What it is now and has been for sometime before the acquisition is the best passenger flying job in aviation- key words- at the time of the purchase-

You got a good deal PCL- your self created outrage is a joke

And so is the idea that you would've got relative

(Ty- see?^^^^)

 

[canyonblue]

Apples to oranges PCL
Let me research it more to see the applicability-

And how many guys left United to go to Cal. Apples and oranges would at least be around the same size fruit. I would go with an Apple to a grape.

 

[Skyboy722]

PCL,
Arbitrators have already heard the SWA vs AT arguments, with all the other work groups that went to arbitration. We already know how that turned out.