Airtran has reached a tentative agreement!!

[ASADFW7]

I am glad the AT reached at TA ya'all need to get used to making a decent wage for flying narrow bodies. As for what happens with SLI, I sleep better knowing that whatever happens life is good.

 

[doh]

Of course he will say NO and NO even if he did. He also never applied or wanted to work at SWA. Nor will he answer what is fair and equitable?

Everyone with a lick of sense know how to define "fair and equitable": whatever you can convince the arbitrator(s) to rule in favor of. Your individual thoughts, feelings, desires, reasons, etc. don't mean sh.t, only what the arbitrator(s) deem fair and equitable matters. Do I win a prize for answering the question?

PS, I have never applied at SWA, but I think it is a great place. If I hadn't latched onto my present gig, I would definitely have gladly applied and flown at SWA. Do I get a bonus prize for that answer?

 

[Lear70]

Of course he will say NO and NO even if he did. He also never applied or wanted to work at SWA. Nor will he answer what is fair and equitable?

Yes, and yes. If you want details, PM me or ask me in a Southwest thread. I'm not going to allow this thread to be hijacked further.

As far as discussing "fair and equitable", I've said it once and I'll say it again: Our MEC has asked us NOT to discuss that on a message board, and I won't. You can keep asking or making sarcastic remarks about it, but I'm not going to get into it with you or anyone else. Period. The end.

Now can we PLEASE get back to talking about the AirTran T.A.?

Moderator hat on:

Bull!
I've seen you guys go off on members, even as far as another moderator calling someone an (censored)!
Why wasn't that moderator banned?

He was. After a discussion amongst the mods, he removed himself from the forums for several weeks.

If you guys want to discuss Southwest issues further, take it BACK to the Southwest/AirTran SLI thread. If SOUTHWEST pilots want to ask ME personal questions, do it in a SOUTHWEST/AAI thread or via PM.

There's a LOT that's about to go down at AirTran that's going to require us to have some open discussion, it very well might get our internal message board shut down, and I'll have to get pretty aggressive about keeping threads here on track.

So if you don't want your post deleted for being off-topic, keep it in a thread that is ON that topic and, as long as it doesn't violate the ToS (personal attacks, threats, profanity, etc), they can be discussed openly in that topic. Similar approach to the way we've been managing AWA/USAirways threads.

Thanks,

/mod

 

[Cometman]

Yes, and yes. If you want details, PM me or ask me in a Southwest thread. I'm not going to allow this thread to be hijacked further.

As far as discussing "fair and equitable", I've said it once and I'll say it again: Our MEC has asked us NOT to discuss that on a message board, and I won't. You can keep asking or making sarcastic remarks about it, but I'm not going to get into it with you or anyone else. Period. The end.

Now can we PLEASE get back to talking about the AirTran T.A.?

Moderator hat on:


He was. After a discussion amongst the mods, he removed himself from the forums for several weeks.

If you guys want to discuss Southwest issues further, take it BACK to the Southwest/AirTran SLI thread. If SOUTHWEST pilots want to ask ME personal questions, do it in a SOUTHWEST/AAI thread or via PM.

There's a LOT that's about to go down at AirTran that's going to require us to have some open discussion, it very well might get our internal message board shut down, and I'll have to get pretty aggressive about keeping threads here on track.

So if you don't want your post deleted for being off-topic, keep it in a thread that is ON that topic and, as long as it doesn't violate the ToS (personal attacks, threats, profanity, etc), they can be discussed openly in that topic. Similar approach to the way we've been managing AWA/USAirways threads.

Thanks,

/mod

I tried to PM you but you need to empty your box.It would not allow a PM.

 

[Lear70]

Just did, sorry, I get a lot of PM's. Should be good now.

 

[livintheredream]

Regardless of the numbers that come out on Thursday, these radical's will still vote NO ( the are a minority).The will never be happy because it is not fun to them. I have lost a lot of respect in some Airtran guys in the last few weeks seeing how they would rather pay Big Bob's his bonus out of there pocket than take a raise for themselves. " Oh but what if the deal doesnt go thru?" Good God man, its done! Get over it! These radical idiots are a laughing stock on the line about how they are on the other boards ALL DAY already voting NO because we might go to war with IRAN. I was one of the 169 that got furloughed and have been living 3 years of hell on RSV with crap pay at this place and if I can get some Money/Bonus before the little "a" dies and make the big bucks at SW then that is what I plan on doing. The vote will show how smart or stupid this pilot group is.

 

[Lear70]

The two biggest heartburns I have are that our hostages aren't reinstated (one is pending, but nothing is in writing yet), and that the senior Captains don't even get Cost of Living (the CA rates in the T.A. are actually LESS than what was in T.A. 2 three years ago), and the junior Captains end up taking a 12-15% pay CUT on D.O.S.

Not sure what being militant has to do with not liking those two things.

Like I said, it was structured VERY carefully by senior management to get the vote, and it will probably pass, because everyone's eyes are on the Southwest deal. Just calling it like it is.

 

[ATLplt]

Just be smart and read the entire document. I think that's what most of us will do. The devil's always in the details. That being said, one would be VERY careless voting "yes" on a TA simply because a future merger may happen. All possible contingencies SHOULD be considered. Vote your conscience and disregard the 5% of nut jobs on both ends of the spectrum. My $.02

Lear is right though. Even though I'm an FO and will likely see a 20% raise, (should have been more like 40%), I feel that BOTH hostages should have been included in this deal and senior Capt's are getting a serious sh!t sandwich to swallow. The whole thing stinks like a hooker's...nevermind. You get the picture. :erm:

 

[T3700]

(the CA rates in the T.A. are actually LESS than what was in T.A. 2 three years ago)

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Those senior Capt rates from TA 2 were paid for out of the pockets of the F/Os. Remember that "market" based pay rate for a first year F/O?

The negotiating committee should never accept anything lower than COLA for Capt pay and set F/O pay at 67% of that.

 

[dicko]

Regardless of the numbers that come out on Thursday, these radical's will still vote NO ( the are a minority).The will never be happy because it is not fun to them. I have lost a lot of respect in some Airtran guys in the last few weeks seeing how they would rather pay Big Bob's his bonus out of there pocket than take a raise for themselves. " Oh but what if the deal doesnt go thru?" Good God man, its done! Get over it! These radical idiots are a laughing stock on the line about how they are on the other boards ALL DAY already voting NO because we might go to war with IRAN. I was one of the 169 that got furloughed and have been living 3 years of hell on RSV with crap pay at this place and if I can get some Money/Bonus before the little "a" dies and make the big bucks at SW then that is what I plan on doing. The vote will show how smart or stupid this pilot group is.

I did enjoy the so called "radical" who believed the global Xanax shortage would cause the merger to fail

Remember that these pay rates were crafted by the same people that threatened to fire instead of furlough you.

When you see the rates please calculate the following:

75 hours (new short call guarantee) multiplied by your new pay rate. Compare this to your average monthly credit over the last year multiplied by your old pay rate. You will be very lucky to see any raise.

I agree with you on the RSV issue. I live there.

 

[livintheredream]

I did enjoy the so called "radical" who believed the global Xanax shortage would cause the merger to fail

Remember that these pay rates were crafted by the same people that threatened to fire instead of furlough you.

When you see the rates please calculate the following:

75 hours (new short call guarantee) multiplied by your new pay rate. Compare this to your average monthly credit over the last year multiplied by your old pay rate. You will be very lucky to see any raise.

I agree with you on the RSV issue. I live there.

Glad you got it! I have my calculator but nothing to punch in yet. Thats my point! There are guys that are hell bent on voting No on rumor. I cant grasp that. After thursday OK vote what you want but, to spread so much misinformation does nothing but hurt the group. I got to get out of this hotel.

 

[dicko]

Glad you got it! I have my calculator but nothing to punch in yet. Thats my point! There are guys that are hell bent on voting No on rumor. I cant grasp that. After thursday OK vote what you want but, to spread so much misinformation does nothing but hurt the group. I got to get out of this hotel.

The stuff about the TA is true .... Unfortunately.

I remain deeply concerned about the global Squirrel and Xanax markets. I'm 'shorting' both of these important commodities. I also have ample supplies in my personal bunker.

 

[Lear70]

Glad you got it! I have my calculator but nothing to punch in yet. Thats my point! There are guys that are hell bent on voting No on rumor. I cant grasp that. After thursday OK vote what you want but, to spread so much misinformation does nothing but hurt the group. I got to get out of this hotel.

Some of us are getting hard numbers from the source, and that's where it's coming from.

The 8-11 year CA's do OK, the senior CA's get SOME raise, but the junior CA's fare the worst as Dicko mentioned.

It is what it is, I'm concentrating on the hostages and not allowing myself to get too P.O.'d about the rest of it...

 

[Ty Webb]

I was one of the 169 that got furloughed and have been living 3 years of hell on RSV with crap pay at this place and if I can get some Money/Bonus before the little "a" dies and make the big bucks at SW then that is what I plan on doing. The vote will show how smart or stupid this pilot group is.

The vote may show you how smart you think those of us are . . . . Those of us who have been here the whole time for this contract fight, those of us who have actually served on numerous committees, walked the picket line every time, watched our friends get taken hostage, and voted to give money to our furloughees, well, we may feel a little differently than you, junior, whether you think we're smart or not.

PS, I personally gave over $600. out of my pocket to a fund for furloughees that Christmas. I hope none of it went to you, you sanctimonious p.o.s.

 

[slaquer5]

The vote may show you how smart you think those of us are . . . . Those of us who have been here the whole time for this contract fight, those of us who have actually served on numerous committees, walked the picket line every time, watched our friends get taken hostage, and voted to give money to our furloughees, well, we may feel a little differently than you, junior, whether you think we're smart or not.

PS, I personally gave over $600. out of my pocket to a fund for furloughees that Christmas. I hope none of it went to you, you sanctimonious p.o.s.

Wow, So you work with the union and if someone disagrees with you, this is how you react. Make matters worse Christmas money( you my brother have anger problems)

 

[Ty Webb]

Wow, So you work with the union and if someone disagrees with you, this is how you react. Make matters worse Christmas money( you my brother have anger problems)

You have no idea what we have been through in the last five and a half years . . . .

When someone who has been here for barely half of this struggle to get a contract, and hasn't participated in any meaningful way, starts telling me that if I don't vote for an agreement that gives me a lousy 8% raise and abandons one of our contract hostages, I'm stupid. . . . . uh, yeah, that does make me angry.

 

[Moon-dog]

At the risk of a direct face shot, I have to ask a question. What are the "contract hostages" that are being referenced in this thread? I am just curious.

Moondog

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

If another member calls out another member by name again, I'm going to PERMANENTLY DELETE you from this board.

Just gave a 30 day suspension to an AirTran pilot for doing the same thing. I'm not kidding here. I know tensions are going to be high for a while, but there is NO excuse to go after each other and it won't be tolerated.

/mod

 

[PanPan]

"you sanctimonious p.o.s."

So how much time in the corner does calling someone a p.o.s. get you?

 

[Lear70]

7 days if it happens again. It wasn't a direct threat, and although the profanity isn't bypassed by inserting creative spelling, it's an acronym and profanity is a ToS violation.

He's been warned against name-calling this morning at the same time I had to remove the other post calling someone out by name. I let it stay only because it had been reported AND quoted and everyone else is saying I moderate and delete too much lately, even though I've taken action against AirTran pilots more than anyone else lately. As a moderator, there will ALWAYS be people who second-guess how you moderate, just part of the job, which sucks.

Everyone needs to take it down a notch.

/mod