Airtran Captain leaves for SWA

[satpak77]

where did S3sundowner go ? back to his cave ?

 

[redflyer65]

Well, here's a little hint, IF the number of AAI pilots was really 100, that's a lot closer to 5% than 10%.

7.7% (might be higher too), but who's counting. Still a very large percentage to completely throw in the town at one carrier to start at the bottom of another list, and no it won't go unnoticed.

 

[27 driver]

7.7% (might be higher too), but who's counting. Still a very large percentage to completely throw in the town at one carrier to start at the bottom of another list, and no it won't go unnoticed.

You really believe the arbitrator will consider this. Really? How many people left LUV pre 2001 when your pay and QOL sucked compared to the rest of the industry? Keep saying it and I guess eventually it will be true.

 

[Lear70]

*snerk* You guys are killing me... take a few days off the boards and all hell breaks loose again.

Yves was a really cool guy, I was in his crashpad for my 4 months on reserve as a new-hire, I hear he's enjoying Delta quite a bit. Some people just want to fly heavy metal international. Nothing wrong with that, but it has zero relevance to any SLI issues.

And no, the ALPA membership department keeps VERY close tabs on who is on the Seniority list and who leaves and why. Medical out, mil leave, current ALPA or not, the list that comes out has to be certified and any changes are carefully scrutinized. If ALPA says no one's left for Southwest, then no one has left.

As far as who showed upon the *INTERVIEW LIST*, that's quite possible. I'm sure quite a few people have apps on file still with Southwest (I don't, but I know a few who did as of 9/27). I'm sure it will come up, and it will likely be the first time it's become a part of the argument in an SLI proceeding, so I guess we're going to find out how much weight it gets. None of us have any way of knowing, as it's completely up to the 3-panel arbitration board if it goes that route, so why are we debating this again?

This is going to be a LONG summer, everyone needs to have a frosty beverage and RELAX... :beer:

 

[redflyer65]

How many people left LUV pre 2001 when your pay and QOL sucked compared to the rest of the industry?

And EXACTLY how does that have any impact on what will be in front of an arbitor? Because NOW the the payrates and QOL are way far apart. So I guess you think that won't matter either...maybe if you keep saying it, it will come true.

 

[27 driver]

And EXACTLY how does that have any impact on what will be in front of an arbitor? Because NOW the the payrates and QOL are way far apart. So I guess you think that won't matter either...maybe if you keep saying it, it will come true.

Time will tell my man! I have my doubts though. If it makes your feel better rock on with it. Pay is temporary. Not trying to start an argument but I just don't think it will be relevant in an arbitration. Who knows?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, I guess you have not seen the interview list.

Don't need to.

 

[waveflyer]

I'm w/ you Lear on the cold relaxation this summer-

No one is going to convince the other-

That said, I'm still looking for ANY reason why any ALPA rep or lawyer would facilitate this in a smooth manner.
Even if it just buys them a few more months (or years) of dues- or the lawyers get a few more billable hours.

Don't convince yourself, OR LET YOURSELF BE CONVINCED, you'll ever be getting screwed ending up on the SWA seniority list- anywhere - the intangibles are worth it alone-
Exhibit A: SWA did not furlough in 2009 at great cost, and strategically shrinking, when every other carrier got out the AX rather happily. The lack of stress here is something to be grateful for in a real way.

Please think about that. I am very lucky to fly here. So will you.

 

[redflyer65]

I agree 27, we will all just have to wait and see how it plays out..

The longer and longer this process agreement takes, I have to agree with Waveflyer. This thing should have been complete over a MONTH ago at a minimum.


ALPA will drag this out ad nauseum. Don't believe me? The proof is in the time line so far, it will continue at this pace or slower.

 

[Lear70]

I'm w/ you Lear on the cold relaxation this summer-

No one is going to convince the other-

That said, I'm still looking for ANY reason why any ALPA rep or lawyer would facilitate this in a smooth manner.
Even if it just buys them a few more months (or years) of dues- or the lawyers get a few more billable hours.

Don't convince yourself, OR LET YOURSELF BE CONVINCED, you'll ever be getting screwed ending up on the SWA seniority list- anywhere - the intangibles are worth it alone-
Exhibit A: SWA did not furlough in 2009 at great cost, and strategically shrinking, when every other carrier got out the AX rather happily. The lack of stress here is something to be grateful for in a real way.

Please think about that. I am very lucky to fly here. So will you.

Well-said, and I appreciate the balanced response.

Look forward to flying with you one of these days!

 

[Kharma Police]

where did S3sundowner go ? back to his cave ?

You notice how once S3sundowner (a known fabricator) stops posting, others who haven't posted in a long time suddenly reappear?

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Don't need to.

You're right, you don't. He's on there, I've seen it.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

You really believe the arbitrator will consider this. Really? How many people left LUV pre 2001 when your pay and QOL sucked compared to the rest of the industry? Keep saying it and I guess eventually it will be true.

If we were acquired by United in 1999, I fully expect that the vast benefit discrepancy that existed at the time and the fact that United at the time was a desirable place to work, would have worked against us in arbitration.

Great analogy, thank you for that.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

And, as for the rest, et tu, Brutus, et tu.

I'm not the one walking into a new job spouting my mouth off "Ty". I already work here. It makes no difference if you know my real name. It is you joining us, not vice versa.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm not "spouting my mouth off" Hose, I'm expressing opinions that you don't like because they conflict with your SLI aspirations.

Your threats don't bother me. I have a 20 year work and training history that speaks for itself, and I don't have anything to fear from message board blowhards like yourself. If you don't like what I write, put me on your ignore list, big guy.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, please point out the errors in my post.

Thanks

100/1750 = 5.7%, not 10% . . . pretty basic math.

Just saying that I wouldnt walk into my new job calling all my new coworkers "mother ********************ers".

I didn't . . . . . my post was directed at you, and you alone, Chief.

Nice try, though.

 

[boeing717]

I'm not the one walking into a new job spouting my mouth off "Ty". I already work here. It makes no difference if you know my real name. It is you joining us, not vice versa.

He doesn't care because he has the same reputation here. It will follow him where ever he goes.

 

[Lear70]

He doesn't care because he has the same reputation here. It will follow him where ever he goes.

Coming from someone at Corporate who likely doesn't know who Ty really is nor who ever interacts with him (or the rest of us for that matter). FYI, he's generally well-liked, but again, I wouldn't expect someone at Corporate to know that.

You don't agree with the pilots. We get it. Thanks for your input. Now how about something that's NOT a personal attack against one, specific individual and might actually be ON TOPIC? K, thanks.

 

[Ty Webb]

He doesn't care because he has the same reputation here. It will follow him where ever he goes.

The mighty Oz has spoken. :laugh:

 

[waveflyer]

This thread has turned dumb

Again