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Fly4$

Fly4$

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Got a phone call from AT today. I wasn't able to call back yet, but it appears from other forums that all training classes starting from 28 April have been indefinitely postponed.

has anyone talked to AT yet for any additional details. I assume there is now a pool. Is interview date going to determine the new training dates when they start again or do they stick with the classes as scheduled previously? I was interviewed in December but could not start until June due to military commitments.

I did not have the impression that ALL new aircraft deliveries were postponed as well. How long can they go without training new people?

Fly4$
 
They can probably keep things going for 6 months or so at present attrition levels without having any new classes. We're only taking a net 4 new airplanes this year according to the latest numbers. Sorry to hear of your class date being postponed.
 
Fly4$ said:
\has anyone talked to AT yet for any additional details. I assume there is now a pool. Is interview date going to determine the new training dates when they start again or do they stick with the classes as scheduled previously? I was interviewed in December but could not start until June due to military commitments.


Fly4$
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Got the call, and said it was class date.
 
Fly4$ said:
Got a phone call from AT today. I wasn't able to call back yet, but it appears from other forums that all training classes starting from 28 April have been indefinitely postponed.

has anyone talked to AT yet for any additional details. I assume there is now a pool. Is interview date going to determine the new training dates when they start again or do they stick with the classes as scheduled previously? I was interviewed in December but could not start until June due to military commitments.

I did not have the impression that ALL new aircraft deliveries were postponed as well. How long can they go without training new people?

Fly4$
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I am in training right now and this is the first I have heard about it. Will try to find out more tomorrow.
 
PCL_128 said:
They can probably keep things going for 6 months or so at present attrition levels without having any new classes. We're only taking a net 4 new airplanes this year according to the latest numbers. Sorry to hear of your class date being postponed.
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About attrition levels, are you talking about people washed out of training? I hope the class cancelations rumor is wrong.:mad:
 
instructordude said:
About attrition levels, are you talking about people washed out of training? I hope the class cancelations rumor is wrong.:mad:
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No, I'm just talking about our normal rate of attrition from pilots leaving to go to places like CAL (shiny wide-bodied jet syndrome), in addition to medical retirements and early outs. According to the NPA, attrition is running at about 5 pilots per month right now.
 
RIDETHELIGHTING said:
NO, attrition of people leaving and retiring. We lose about 7-10 a month. But I'm sure that might change.
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Where are they going???? Except the guys retiring, where? If i was workin at Airtran I wouldn't risk leaving my seat to go anywhere right now, not even the cargo guys. I don't think you'll see too many people be leaving now.
 
Guys were leaving for the legacies. Like I said, shiny wide-bodies jet syndrome. That should slow down quite a bit now that everyone is canceling classes and interviews.
 
PCL_128 said:
Guys were leaving for the legacies. Like I said, shiny wide-bodies jet syndrome. That should slow down quite a bit now that everyone is canceling classes and interviews.
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Absolutely. Just imagine guys who left 5-6 months to go to Delta:), Contineltal, etc.. who are going oh sh!t what did I do?
 
"a few" months ago everybody was hiring. I mean EVERYBODY. The recession was ending. Interest rates were stable. Crude oil was 20 bucks off the peak. That's what the 10 year tranny dude was thinking.

Life was good man. Just shows you how fluid this profession is.

Gup
 
The "10 year tranny dude" was making $150k+ with 16+ days off. Leaving for the widget was a dumb move, no matter how you look at it.
 
GuppyWN said:
"a few" months ago everybody was hiring. I mean EVERYBODY. The recession was ending. Interest rates were stable. Crude oil was 20 bucks off the peak. That's what the 10 year tranny dude was thinking.

Life was good man. Just shows you how fluid this profession is.

Gup
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dude -- tranny and fluid and stable are words that should not go into the same post.
 
Does any of the AT folks have more insight in the updated delivery schedule for the coming years? Is it true that there will be only 4 deliveries this year?
 
PCL_128 said:
The "10 year tranny dude" was making $150k+ with 16+ days off. Leaving for the widget was a dumb move, no matter how you look at it.
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he was making $150k+ as a first officer, right?

Oh, he was a captain. And now he's got a better concessionary contract than any contract you will ever have...if you ever get one.

Who exactly made the "dumb move?"
 
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jke406 said:
he was making $150k+ as a first officer, right?

Oh, he was a captain. And now he's got a better concessionary contract than any contract you will ever have...if you ever get one.

Who exactly made the "dumb move?"
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yawn.......
 
jke406 said:
he was making $150k+ as a first officer, right?

Oh, he was a captain. And now he's got a better concessionary contract than any contract you will ever have...if you ever get one.

Who exactly made the "dumb move?"
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Last summer, I had a 17 year Delta 767-300 International FO on my jumpseat. He said he could have been a very junior reserve MD-80 Captain in New York but didn't want it. 17 years seniority got him a decent quality of life, but only making about $9,000 a month. Our 10 year captain who left for Delta (who was living in base with 16+ days off a month) could easily pull $13,000 a month and even more if he wanted it (not including the $1400 a month to his "B" fund).

I am not sure I am following your logic but I think the $13,000 a month at 10 years is much better than $9,000 at 17 years for equivalent quality of life.
 
Isn't "International" just a code word for "I drink during the day when no one else is and then I fly redeyes"?
 
Training just posted a vacancy award saying they have another class to run. It did not say how many though.
 
I talk to one of our pilots in TRN. they have not heard anything yet. But this was as of yesterday. He said a class just started up with 20 new hires.
 
careful,this 10 year ca may be your chief pilot tommorow.how long you guys've been in this business?
He's still in his early 30s with no wife no kids no mortgage.DELTA is where he always wanted to be.they might have, one day an industry leading contract, that we all will envy,who knows.
I find him courageous indeed,time will tell.
 
PCL_128 said:
The "10 year tranny dude" was making $150k+ with 16+ days off. Leaving for the widget was a dumb move, no matter how you look at it.
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Care to enlighten us why??

The guy may see or want something you don't....Airtran may not be for him, that doesn't make him dumb....

Still listening though......do tell!!!

(chum's in the water, let's see if PCL will bite)
 

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