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T-1 Guy, congratulations on the interview and good luck with the results! I have a question for you or maybe just asking your opinion. I know the air fairs don't hurt but do you think it gave you a better chance or is it hard to determine if it was a factor or not. With the upcoming job fair in Atl I have been weighing positives and negatives of going. Do you really get a chance to "sell" yourself or just place a resume on the table?

Thanks
 
T1 Guy,

Congrats. I hope you get the call to join us here. I just celebrated my second anniversary here. I still love my job.

Best of Luck.
 
Aye yi yi. The military vs. civilian junk is so old. Give it a rest folks.

Some people can do the job, and some can't...regardless of background. If you're lucky enough to get called it's on the individual to land the job. It's that simple. Can you sell yourself or not? I'm strictly civilian and I have never been turned down for a job. Is that because I'm so friggin' great and I have an incredible background - or that I had the requirements and took the time to prepare myself?

Anyway. Congrats man.
 
Man you guys need to give Phungus a break, I know this kid he’s a nice guy and all around easygoing chap. It seems to me that it was I.P. Freley that has is panties in a wad all Phungus did was tell the dude who started this thread he was happy and expressed an opinion.

I. P. You’re the one who needs to get a grip I don’t see any not-so-veiled accusation that you are not a true American all he said was that he was sorry for the way you felt about how he looked upon the situation.

You airline types never cease to amaze me, the sense of entitlement you have is colossal.

:mad:
 
The Air inc Conference

The only contact that I had had with Airtran was the Air inc. conference in Dallas. I believe that this was the only reason that my resume was considered. From there it was my resume that got me in the door.

Thanks again for all the help...

Fingers and Toes are crossed...
 
I.P. Freley said:
Phungus, you need to get a grip.

The not-so-veiled accusation that I am not a True American because I don't believe military pilots are more deserving of airline interviews is silly and unnecessary.

I am proud of our men and women in the service, but I stand by my original point. The simple fact that they were in the service doesn't make them uniquely qualified to fly airliners... They do a different kind of flying, and an F-15 driver or an Apache pilot are certainly quite skilled, but they aren't more deserving of an interview at the expense of a civilian pilot with equal time flying other airliners.

If you don't get the distinction, then yes, I guess we can all agree to disagree.

Good post, I.P.
 
Air inc

While Air Inc may or may not have helped depending on who he talked to there, the keys here are:

Military-- shows ability to deal with disiplines and training
Jet-- already knows and flies in the enviironment in multi engine
Instructor- Leadership

This is exactly the type of candidate that they want. He would have likely received a call eventually with or without Air Inc.

The point is that Air Inc was not the answer, excellent credentials were and if you do not have them, one of the shows will not help you.
 
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Publishers said:
While Air Inc may or may not have helped depending on who he talked to there, the keys here are:

Military-- shows ability to deal with disiplines and training
Jet-- already knows and flies in the enviironment in multi engine
Instructor- Leadership

This is exactly the type of candidate that they want. He would have likely received a call eventually with or without Air Inc.

The point is that Air Inc was not the answer, excellent credentials were and if you do not have them, one of the shows will not help you.

Well ya see here's the thing, a T-1 is a Beechjet. Period. How the crap flying a T-1 the military is the "military equivilent" of flying 500 hours of Part 121 PIC, but flying a corporate Beechjet isn't, is absolutely beyond me. But hey, maybe if I was ex-mil, I could figure out that kind of complex equation stuff. Ah, I just figured it out, I've never been trained in celestial navigation techniques.

To T-1: Great job, good luck, I think it'll be a great opportunity I think Airtran is a great company with a bright future!

To Publishers:

Military - may or may not " show ability to deal with disiplines and training" just as PIC 121 or any other.

Jet- not a requirement and not even prefered to 121PIC. Who knows if T-34, T-6II or whatever qualifies?

Instructor- again, may or may not demonstrate "Leadership" One of the worst instructors I ever had was ex-mil on of the best no mil but instructed at Flightsafety for about ten years.

Once you have more experience and have flown with a greater variety from both sides, in both seats of a jet, you'll realize that.

The new mins at Airtran are their right to decide, but don't by into the argument. The new requirements are more about perception than reality. Plenty of their current pilots had none of the above when they were hired.

Not tryin to hammer you, but I think your point has some flaws.

Regards.
 
"but don't by" = but don't buy

What they didn't teach me was how to spell. LOL

They tried but I lacked the discipline.
 
AV8OR said:
"but don't by" = but don't buy

What they didn't teach me was how to spell. LOL .

it don't matter - us non-military types don't read too good no how.

On another note - the military sure taught John Mohammad, DC sniper, a lot of disclipline & training. Publisher - "jet" is not synonymous with “multi engine” (last time I checked) speaking of which – there is much more to a “multi eng environment” in a twin (or 4 eng) turboprop than there is in a jet. As far as instructor/leadership BS – in an ideal world – I’d agree, but promotions in our military (for the most part) & else where is a lot more political than it is based on abilities. A brown-noser is likely to progress through the ranks much quicker than a good stick “s.h.!.t. disturber.” (many good examples)

T-1 – good luck.
 
>>>You airline types never cease to amaze me, the sense of entitlement you have is colossal<<<

ROFL!! Now THIS is rich...

Since you decided to throw your hat in the ring (without, it would seem, any grasp of what has been said up this point, since you accuse me of starting what you apparently think is an argument), please explain how it is that the "airline types" are a problem. Is it because we don't believe that military pilots "deserve" an interview more than a civilian-trained one? Does the fact that I believe that heavily-experienced civilian pilots are just as qualified to fly for AirTran as military pilots?

Wow, my sense of entitlement is simply out of control! LOL!!!

If you want to start a fight about it, "wasted space," feel free. Being insulting towards me is a handy alternative to being adult about it, I'm sure. Why address the actual issue, why let other people (phungus) defend their OWN point of view, when you can talk about the state of others' "panties", right?

I do thank you, though, for the best laugh I've had all day. I think the "mean face" emoticon was a nice touch.
 
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AV8OR said:
Well ya see here's the thing, a T-1 is a Beechjet. Period. How the crap flying a T-1 the military is the "military equivilent" of flying 500 hours of Part 121 PIC, but flying a corporate Beechjet isn't, is absolutely beyond me. But hey, maybe if I was ex-mil, I could figure out that kind of complex equation stuff. Ah, I just figured it out, I've never been trained in celestial navigation techniques.


To Publishers:

Military - may or may not " show ability to deal with disiplines and training" just as PIC 121 or any other.

Jet- not a requirement and not even prefered to 121PIC. Who knows if T-34, T-6II or whatever qualifies?

Instructor- again, may or may not demonstrate "Leadership" One of the worst instructors I ever had was ex-mil on of the best no mil but instructed at Flightsafety for about ten years.

Once you have more experience and have flown with a greater variety from both sides, in both seats of a jet, you'll realize that.


Not tryin to hammer you, but I think your point has some flaws.

Regards.


This is the first time I have ever chimed in on one of these discussions and I know that it is off the topic, but I have to respond to this post.

As a T-1A IP, flying a T-1A is nothing like flying a civilian Beechjet. A civilian Beechjet takes off, climbs, cruises, descends, accomplishes one approach, and full stops. Awesome and great experience. That is what they are built for and what they are designed to do.

Flying a T-1A, we take a student that normally has less than 150 of TOTAL TIME and fly them all over the place. We accomplish "area work", multiple VFR patterns, multiple back-to-back instrument approaches at multiple bases (military and civilian), high penetrations, VFR navigation, low level navigation (500 feet), area formation work (yes two Beechjets chasing each other around the sky), simulated air refueling (50 feet from each other), and simulated airdrop (two Beechjets at 500 feet through the mountains to "avoid enemy radar"). All in the name to prepare the next generation of heavy aircraft professional military pilots. Remember, we do all of this with a student with less than 150 hour of total time who is the left seat acting as the aircraft commander (Captain).

So, in some ways you are right. Flying a T-1A is not like part 121 time. But that does mean that it is less difficult or less qualifying for employment. In many ways, the way we fly the T-1A gains valuable experience alot faster than the way civilian Beechjets are flown.

I am not attempting to make any enemies here. We do different things, but are both equally qualified to fly for the airlines.

To Av8or:

We do not accomplish celestial navigation at pilot training. They do that at Navigation school. Don't worry you won't have any competion for your airline job from those guys.


To T-1 guy:

Congrats. I think we know each other from H and G back at XL. Hope you get hired and I hope I follow you in a few months.
 
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Jim said:
Wouldn't be too sure about that :D. As a retired Navy NFO (Nav to you Air Force guys) and a current HAL furloughee, I'm gunning for his Air Tran seat!

I stand corrected. AV8OR I guess you have twice as much competition.
 
You know, the ones who have thousands of hours doing what AirTran does every day, not time in a military airplane that has almost no relevance to the reality of 121 ops
Now THAT's a good one.

CA: "positive rate, gear up."
FO: (raises gear handle)
CA: "out of 10k, I can't believe we hired more military dudes whose flying had nothing to do with 121 ops. It's amazing they get through it."
FO: "no kidding...heather wants to know if you need a coffee."
CA: "sure, sweet girl".
2 hours later...
CA: "gear down, final check"
FO: "blah, blah, blah, blah, three green, cleared to land."
FO: "nice landing, I'll get the cappucino"
CA: "thanks, that 121 reality training has realy paid dividends".
 

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