Airman closed until further notice..

[Flechas]

Best of luck to all of you guys, this has happened before to other flight schools, and the students never walked out with a happy face.

 

[viper548]

Sorry to say it, but I can't imagine why a flight school would close their doors if they plan on moving next door. They still have aircraft insurance to pay for and leases/payments if they don't own the aircraft outright

 

[414Flyer]

Contact Avweb.com if you havent already.

 

[MFRskyknight]

Sorry to say it, but I can't imagine why a flight school would close their doors if they plan on moving next door. They still have aircraft insurance to pay for and leases/payments if they don't own the aircraft outright

From what I've been told, they own about four of the planes outright. I don't really expect this noise about 'packing up and moving next door' to be too far removed from the double-talk the students have already been receiving from administration. My feelings are obviously running quite deep and bitter about this right now.

"What's that, guys? Can't make good on that refund check? Well, give me the papers to that 172 over yonder, and maybe we'll call it even."

MFR

 

[rcbullock]

Actually, the next door move is plausible. From what I understand, O'Neill owns or at least has control of all the office space in the front of their hangar. And it's empty except for Benny Blalock's (I probably spelled it wrong) office AFAIK. Now, it is nowhere near the square footage that Airman has which will be an issue. But maybe they will have a temp building placed or something as well.

It's plausible, but I am betting if they are back it will be on a smaller scale. That might work since a lot of students will probably leave anyway. I can call someone later to see if they have better words.

Having known Dale since around 98 or so, if he's the one who told you there would be a cancellation fee, he at least has the intention and expectation of continuing operations. I do not think anyone up there would willfully take someone's money if they had any choice in the matter. I hope they haven't spent faster than they brought in and that the operation as whole, considering assets, etc. isn't in the red.

** All of the above pure speculation on my part **

 

[minitour]

rc,
Agree with you on Dale. He and Will seem to be the only two in the organization worth anything...oh and David Calvo...can't forget him...he's a cool guy.

I called this morning and got nothing but voicemails...who knows what's going on...yikes!

-mini

 

[mayday1]

"What's that, guys? Can't make good on that refund check? Well, give me the papers to that 172 over yonder, and maybe we'll call it even."

sorry to hear about all of this... unfortunately, you'll likely be in a long line of creditors trying to stake a claim on Airman's assets.

 

[NYCPilot]

Those 172's over at Airman are sooo beat up...they ain't worth $$hit.

 

[minitour]

Those 172's over at Airman are sooo beat up...they ain't worth $$hit.

Yeah...but even a beat up old Duchess is worth multi time...too bad they don't own it.

-mini

 

[User546]

I sure hope this doesn't turn into another Tab Express debacle.

 

[MFRskyknight]

sorry to hear about all of this... unfortunately, you'll likely be in a long line of creditors trying to stake a claim on Airman's assets.

Airman.... assets.... heh. To be honest, I've given this some thought. Aside from the planes, I don't think they've really got anything. Maybe a few simulators built back in the heyday of barnstorming, or a bank of testing PCs running -- ooh la la -- Windows 95, and some lousy furniture, but that's it. Last night, the only things I saw any CFIs taking away were tons and tons of model planes in their trunks, like the ones Dale had in his office. They obviously weren't thrilled, either, and had been having what looked like an impromptu liquor party; by the time I got there, the place kinda looked like Margaritaville.

MFR

 

[NYCPilot]

Dale and Will were good guys.
I remember all those planes Dale had in his office. I enjoyed my brief stint down in Norman while attending their Instructor course.

 

[Thedude]

was Airman still pulling that old trick and having 3 people log twin PIC in a Dutchess?

 

[viper548]

If a move next door was all that was planned don't you think they'd have started advertising it in advance and maybe even keep the business running during the move? I hope you guys get your money back.

 

[viper548]

Minitour, I'd get on the horn with the bank and find out how you were given a loan for $20K more than you requested. It's possible that AFS somehow had something to do with that like maybe forging your name on an application.