Air Wisconsin pilots turn down pay cuts for 3rd time.

[DiverDriver]

Just so the rest of the industry knows what is going on...

ZW pilots were just asked to again entertain a B scale to bid on the Midwest Airlines 50 seat flying last week. They were also asked for a 70 seat T-prop rate. Additionally, they were asked about a 90 seat rate. The answer was given: No B scale. We have a 90 seat rate it's called the BAE-146 rate we have now. And you can put a "/t-prop" next to our negotiated 70 seat jet rate.

This was all predictable. I was just saying to my wife last week how we would get a carrot thrown in front of us just before our arbitration date (tommorrow the 28th).

I'm glad we had the good article in ALPA Pilot magazine. It pretty much states it true what's gone on here. I'm proud that our MEC responded to this 3rd attempt to lower the bar the way they did.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Whiskey has a great pilot group.

 

[XJohXJ]

Good work guys, keep it up!

 

[BoilerUP]

Whats the source on this intel, CF/BF/JA? And a "b-scale" compared to what, the 9/11 contract or the current CBA? Lordy knows if ATW wants to go after the MidEx/Cal/US 90 seaters it won't be pilot costs that prevents it...


Very interesting news less than 24 hours before the arbitration...

 

[atlcrashpad]

Good for you guys. Don't give in to pressure from Management, especially when the company is making profits. Hang tuff bouyzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[Superpilot92]

Just so the rest of the industry knows what is going on...

ZW pilots were just asked to again entertain a B scale to bid on the Midwest Airlines 50 seat flying last week. They were also asked for a 70 seat T-prop rate. Additionally, they were asked about a 90 seat rate. The answer was given: No B scale. We have a 90 seat rate it's called the BAE-146 rate we have now. And you can put a "/t-prop" next to our negotiated 70 seat jet rate.

This was all predictable. I was just saying to my wife last week how we would get a carrot thrown in front of us just before our arbitration date (tommorrow the 28th).

I'm glad we had the good article in ALPA Pilot magazine. It pretty much states it true what's gone on here. I'm proud that our MEC responded to this 3rd attempt to lower the bar the way they did.

Awesome guys keep it up.

 

[DiverDriver]

Whats the source on this intel, CF/BF/JA? And a "b-scale" compared to what, the 9/11 contract or the current CBA? Lordy knows if ATW wants to go after the MidEx/Cal/US 90 seaters it won't be pilot costs that prevents it...


Very interesting news less than 24 hours before the arbitration...

B-scale compared to our current CBA. It was presented before as to "not effect a single pilot on property". This, however is misleading. As soon as a FO upgrades during any expansion then they would be paid B-scale CAs wages until enough people left the top so they would be part of the A-scale. So, no. We're not going to do it. And even if it truly did not effect a pilot on the property I would say no also because it would then lower the bar for everyone else AND would be an act of undercutting the SkyWay pilots to get Midwest Express flying.

I have no problem doing ME flying if our company puts in a competitive bid or does some sort of financing. I can't control that. AWAC has to decide what profit margin they want out of the flying. I just will not participate in undercutting just to get flying. It doesn't help our current pilot group or anyone entering the airline field.

We made a move in 2003 because we thought we were helping our company when United was in bankruptcy. We thought we were buying something for our money and that was a 10 year contract with United. We found out that was completely not true. No trust is left until this group is made whole or an arbitrator says we don't have a leg to stand on. Once that happens then we can move forward.

There actually was about a 4 year period where there were no grievances with the company. Things were settled in direct talks. That working environment no longer exists and so we will let the system work it out.

 

[BoilerUP]

DD, I completely agree with you on every point. I'm still a probie so I don't have a say, but I don't want b-scales either (on the regional level? gimme a break...) and will not accept lower wages because of the growth carrot, especially while the company is profitable and selling hundreds of millions worth of LCC stock.

I haven't heard anything about B-scales since BF was on the jumpseat a few weeks ago and he emphasized how much sand the MEC told the company to pound regarding them, thats why I was wondering what the source was.

 

[DiverDriver]

Several sources to include BF. This request to talk happened late last week just days before our arbitration date. Predictable timing.

 

[HughBeamont]

Bravo Air Wisconsin. Any pilot group that decides to screw future hires with a B-scale deserves to be screwed over themselves. It's management's dream come true to have a truly divided pilot group.

 

[146guy]

The problem with our owners is they want to make the kind of profits they did with United. Now they are turning to the pilots to finance new flying...sorry our MEC has spoken. Just like DiverDriver said we're not going to undercut to pick up someone's flying.

On a side not I guarantee management would have slid mesa's payrates across the table during negotiations for a B scale. Every regional carrier needs to do their part with our "career". Jack the house up one side at a time, who's turn is it next?

 

[mamba20]

I wish our ************************* ass union had a sack like you guys do. Your a true inspiration.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

I am done financing this company out of my own back pocket especially if it means screwing over another pilot group or adding fuel to the race to the bottom. If we don't grow any further right now, so be it, but the owners are making more money and profits now than they were before we took the concessions and they have the b@lls to ask for more - GET STUFFED!!

 

[Superpilot92]

I am done financing this company out of my own back pocket especially if it means screwing over another pilot group or adding fuel to the race to the bottom. If we don't grow any further right now, so be it, but the owners are making more money and profits now than they were before we took the concessions and they have the b@lls to ask for more - GET STUFFED!!

Agreed!!

 

[FCPhotography]

If all pilot groups were like AirWhiskey this would be a much better job.

I thought it was interesting how the article mentioned how ACA and ZW got together and agreed on how they wouldn't undercut each other (2003 when UAL filed).

Why can't the rest of the MEC's do that?

 

[DiverDriver]

They can and they should. We all should.

T-minus one day to arbitration. ( I know...the decision won't be for 4 months...just want to get game on!)

 

[COOPERVANE]

These MGMT pukes need to see that we are no longer going to sit and watch them erode this career to line their pockets!!

It has become SOP in this industry for company A to ask pilots for cuts so the company can "underbid" company B. The 1 year later, company B needs to cut costs to be competitive. All while handing out bonuses and posting profits

Disgusting

 

[The Drizzle]

If all pilot groups were like AirWhiskey this would be a much better job.

I thought it was interesting how the article mentioned how ACA and ZW got together and agreed on how they wouldn't undercut each other (2003 when UAL filed).

Why can't the rest of the MEC's do that?

well, i think it is beginning at least on the DCI side

not too many details available, but it is a fact that CMR and CHQ MECs have met and drafted mission statements to that effect. it is time for this sh!t to stop. i don't see too much hope on the USAirways side of things due to the wholly owned companies. not trying to imply anything negative, but i would just see some friction between them and the contract carriers

 

[B190Captain]

well, i think it is beginning at least on the DCI side

not too many details available, but it is a fact that CMR and CHQ MECs have met and drafted mission statements to that effect. it is time for this sh!t to stop. i don't see too much hope on the USAirways side of things due to the wholly owned companies. not trying to imply anything negative, but i would just see some friction between them and the contract carriers

There is friction there with Mesa, Republic and even AWAC with the WO's but what makes AWAC unique is that THEY own a piece of mainline.

I do admire their stand and support them in every way even though I have run into some of the bitter "bad apples" in PHL that are just total pricks.

 

[DiverDriver]

Don't let the few spoil the bunch. You may hear bitching in the crew room but that's where it should stay. Once out in front with the people it's straight face and "git'r done" time.