Air Wisconsin pilots turn down pay cuts for 3rd time.

[Soverytired]

I'm embarassed to admit it, but Mesa pilots accepted a lesser rate for larger-seat turbo props instead of holding out to match comprable seat pay for their jets (basically, you fly Q400's you get screwed as opposed to CRJ 700's . . course we don't fly Q400's . . . .YET).

Mmmmm, shiny jet syndrome . . . . .






God, now I'M starting to bash Mesa at every opportunity . . . . I gotta get outta here or at least get off FI. . . . .

 

[T-Storm Chaser]

Come on guys, you couldn't see this one coming? First we get the "official" announcement that we are bidding on it, then the next day we get a "weekly wrap" talking about all these other airlines that are accepting concessions. They might as well have written the message all over the crew rooms in ORF, DCA, and PHL. They are trying to play us like a harp. Dangle a couple midwest bases in front of the veterans and say "you can have yours if we have ours" and see what happens. I am proud to work for a company that the pilot group has some balls to tell mgmt to stick it where the good lord split it.

 

[TCBKING]

Thought this might be prudent for the battle coming with Mgmt..........


"WHOEVER DOES NOT HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THIS FIGHT, LET HIM DEPART..............

WE FEW, WE HAPPY FEW, WE BAND OF BROTHERS;
FOR WHOEVER HAS SHED HIS BLOOD WITH ME, SHALL BE MY BROTHER.

AND THOSE MEN AFRAID TO GO, WILL THINK THEMSELVES AS LESSER MEN AS THEY HEAR HOW WE FOUGHT TOGETHER..."

No disrespect to any of the other pilot groups out there (well, plenty to a few), I wouldnt want to be with any other Regional. MGMT is not going to win this one....

Time to follow the LEADER.

 

[rightrudder]

Wsurf,
Don't respond unless you have an iota of current and correct information. You are just a flamebaiter. I'm guessing it was you that slowed to less than 100kts 8 miles out for 26 the other day. So sorry you couldn't force us to go around. Better luck next time...

The last thing we need is for you, mr awacoff, to jump in here and try to escalate tensions between airlines. This guy didn't attack this company, you, or our pilots. What is the point of your post other to be a smart aleck?

The rest of us at AWAC don't bear any grudge with you PDT guys, so don't listen to this dude who doesn't speak for the rest of us.

 

[D'Angelo]

Just so the rest of the industry knows what is going on...

ZW pilots were just asked to again entertain a B scale to bid on the Midwest Airlines 50 seat flying last week. They were also asked for a 70 seat T-prop rate. Additionally, they were asked about a 90 seat rate. The answer was given: No B scale. We have a 90 seat rate it's called the BAE-146 rate we have now. And you can put a "/t-prop" next to our negotiated 70 seat jet rate.

This was all predictable. I was just saying to my wife last week how we would get a carrot thrown in front of us just before our arbitration date (tommorrow the 28th).

I'm glad we had the good article in ALPA Pilot magazine. It pretty much states it true what's gone on here. I'm proud that our MEC responded to this 3rd attempt to lower the bar the way they did.

So ZW pilots are retards whats your point?

Moderator reviewed.

 

[DiverDriver]

So ZW pilots are retards whats your point?

SWEET!!! Big D posted on a thread I started. Damn, I must be a star now.

<waves hi to D>

Oh, and you can take your self ritious butt out of here. Who's name calling now Big D? Hypocrite.

 

[WSurf]

Wsurf,
Don't respond unless you have an iota of current and correct information. You are just a flamebaiter. I'm guessing it was you that slowed to less than 100kts 8 miles out for 26 the other day. So sorry you couldn't force us to go around. Better luck next time...

LOL..... Thats to funny!! Where is the flame you moron!!! I said it was a smart move selling the stock and doubling your money a$$ nutz..... Read boy, Read!!!!

AWACoff=Tool!!!!

 

[AWACoff]

Rightrudder,

I guess you haven't tried jumpseating on PDT, eh? You may not harbor a grudge against PDT but a significant percentage of their pilot group certainly dislikes Air Wisconsin. Maybe you forgot about us "stealing" their domicile at ORF...? In case you are unaware of Wsurf, I suggest you search for his previous posts. He is an immature presence on this board who resorts to namecalling when he can't provide a suitable argument.

 

[NEDude]

Here is another probie who does not want lower wages for a quick upgrade. Thanks for standing firm.

 

[BuzzSaw]

thanks for info...

Buzz Saw

 

[WSurf]

Rightrudder,

I guess you haven't tried jumpseating on PDT, eh? You may not harbor a grudge against PDT but a significant percentage of their pilot group certainly dislikes Air Wisconsin. Maybe you forgot about us "stealing" their domicile at ORF...? In case you are unaware of Wsurf, I suggest you search for his previous posts. He is an immature presence on this board who resorts to namecalling when he can't provide a suitable argument.

No Piedmont person has a grudge against Air Wisconsin..... You are again a moron in thinking that!! You folks got hosed just like we did!! You had to move everyone to the east coast. We had to move people from Florida and Norfolk. So what's your point???
When have you had a problem with the jumpseat on PDT? If so, contract your jumpseat cordinator and we can fix the problem you had. Don't come on here and just whine about it.
Search my pevious post!!! Most of them have a sense of sarcasm!!! Something you just don't get!!!
You gotta be a newbie in the business!!! Good Luck!!!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Rightrudder,

I guess you haven't tried jumpseating on PDT, eh? You may not harbor a grudge against PDT but a significant percentage of their pilot group certainly dislikes Air Wisconsin. Maybe you forgot about us "stealing" their domicile at ORF...? In case you are unaware of Wsurf, I suggest you search for his previous posts. He is an immature presence on this board who resorts to namecalling when he can't provide a suitable argument.

Alright, I am going to throw the B.S. flag on this one...

I am a PDT captain who used to be based in ORF/PHF, and currently operate Dash 8's in and out of ORF on a nearly weekly basis. I can say with virtual certianty that NO Air Willy pilot has been denied the jumpseat or even harrassed based upon who he works for. Granted the dash is often weight limited (especially the -100), but we will move heaven and earth to try and get you on. Period, end of story.

AWACoff, if you feel you have been wrongly denied a ride, then take it up with your JS coordinator or even PM me the flight and date and I will refer it to ours. If you brought the same B.S. attitude you are displaying here to the airplane and you got hasseled, then you deserved it. I guess every airline has that "one percent."

Stop trying to find a fight between two airlines that isn't there. Or, do it in person in the LGA or PHL crew rooms. I look forward to the conversation.

By the way, Surf is a great guy who said nothing bad about Air Willy, and I too thank the Air Wisc guys for standing up and not backing down. Beers on me.

 

[sewerpiper]

If all pilot groups were like AirWhiskey this would be a much better job.

I thought it was interesting how the article mentioned how ACA and ZW got together and agreed on how they wouldn't undercut each other (2003 when UAL filed).

Why can't the rest of the MEC's do that?

Isn't that the defination of the word "Union"
Thats the problem with this crappy industry, there is no true union here. Everyone is protecting their own interests.

Screw you guys i'm going home

 

[OPECJet]

If any of you have been denied a jumpseat on PDT, its because the -100s are don't have a jumpseat.

The have a device that folds down between the seats to hold the torn and tattered MEL, captain's hat, and a lot of dust. There is even a seatbelt there to keep the dust in. The -300s on the other hand can almost always take a jumpseater.

If you feel you've been wronged with the PDT jumpseat, PM me. I'm on the PDT jumpseat committee and will see what we have to do to get it fixed.

As far as Surf goes (and it pains me to say anything nice about him), he's a good friend, good pilot, and almost as big a wise a$$ as myself. Calling him a flame baiter is rediculous.

 

[D'Angelo]

"Standing firm" today equals unemployment line tomorrow. Unfortunately the union manages to brainwash a lot of people. Its foolish to try and work with MECs to not undercut each other. Theres always someone out there looking out for their best intrests therefore we must all do the same.