Air Tran Help Please

[DonVerita]

Furthermore, you were given the opportunity to fly for A-scale rates but you turned that down. Don't come bitching to us about your bad decisions.

No. We turned down an unfair and inequitable SLI plan that would have us lose 32-35% global seniority under a combined list. That is what we turned down; make no mistake about it.

And before you say, "but...but...but 86% of your pilot group voted for SLI 2", let me ask you this: What would you and SWAPA have done if the roles were reversed and someone was holding a gun to your head threatening, implied or otherwise, not to integrate you?

 

[Britpilot]

You could have voted yes. You were told that if you turned down the first agreement that the money would be taken off the table.

You were warned.

Don't bitch at me, I didn't make that decision. YOU DID.

Not true.
The MEC made that decision, not the line pilots. Just saying.

 

[humveedriver]

Don and Brit, what do you want the SWA pilots to do? Take sides over which way AT pilots or the MEC should have voted? Deliver some sort of apology? All they wanted was a comete staple. They didn't get it. They don't care what we lost and I don't see why they should. They didn't ask for this any more than we did. They should have made it easier for us? Again not their problem. I lost seniority too. We did better than a complete staple and that's what we got. Your preaching to the choir.

 

[texman]

No. We turned down an unfair and inequitable SLI plan that would have us lose 32-35% global seniority under a combined list. That is what we turned down; make no mistake about it.

And before you say, "but...but...but 86% of your pilot group voted for SLI 2", let me ask you this: What would you and SWAPA have done if the roles were reversed and someone was holding a gun to your head threatening, implied or otherwise, not to integrate you?

I see what your saying but know one had a gun to your head?! A company bought you and yes can do anything they want with you. The great thing is now you have a real choice. You can embrace your new adventure or quit. The company SWA nor AT forces you to work here. You have a choice. So know one has every put a gun to your head. This is corporate America and know one owes you a job.

 

[Britpilot]

Don and Brit, what do you want the SWA pilots to do? Take sides over which way AT pilots or the MEC should have voted? Deliver some sort of apology? All they wanted was a comete staple. They didn't get it. They don't care what we lost and I don't see why they should. They didn't ask for this any more than we did. They should have made it easier for us? Again not their problem. I lost seniority too. We did better than a complete staple and that's what we got. Your preaching to the choir.

I don't think they can do anything.
I was just pointing out that there is no schedule for us to transition and we have no idea when we will go. In the meantime we are stuck with the B scale and min guarantee.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

No. We turned down an unfair and inequitable SLI plan that would have us lose 32-35% global seniority under a combined list. That is what we turned down; make no mistake about it.

You kept your Captain Seats and ATL was protected. Seemed way more than fair to me.

And before you say, "but...but...but 86% of your pilot group voted for SLI 2", let me ask you this: What would you and SWAPA have done if the roles were reversed and someone was holding a gun to your head threatening, implied or otherwise, not to integrate you?

There was no gun. The integration was going to happen regardless. Don't blame me for your pilot group being scared of the boogeyman.

 

[Tripower455]

You kept your Captain Seats and ATL was protected. Seemed way more than fair to me.



There was no gun. The integration was going to happen regardless. Don't blame me for your pilot group being scared of the boogeyman.

Hey JA,

If I wrote this, would it be considered "pissing on people's legs" or "starting a fight"?

I don't want to run afoul of the forum rules you've created just for me.

Thanks!

(Oh, and nothing personal Leeroy, I just used the last post as an example)

 

[Secret Squirrel]

No. We turned down an unfair and inequitable SLI plan that would have us lose 32-35% global seniority under a combined list. That is what we turned down; make no mistake about it.

And before you say, "but...but...but 86% of your pilot group voted for SLI 2", let me ask you this: What would you and SWAPA have done if the roles were reversed and someone was holding a gun to your head threatening, implied or otherwise, not to integrate you?

That is their point. The roles were not going to be reversed. They were the larger acquiring airline with the better pay, culture, relationship and SUPPORT of management, better outlook, with a whole bunch of pilots who left Airtran to go work for them for those reasons (or were trying to get on with them). That is why people go to SWA. The odds of what happened to us are very slim to an employee at SWA. We had ALPA, some vague contract language that had a couple loop holes big enough to drive a truck through, and an untested law. The employee group weighed its options and voted accordingly.

Companies like Airtran have bad things happen to them all the time. Most guys I fly with are on their 3rd or 4th Airtran type company. The list is long of upstarts who don't make it, get dissolved, get acquired, or plain go out of business. We had lousy confrontational management, one oil spike or downturn away from another furlough, a strike looming, we were only making money with new airplanes by selling them, and competing head to head with one of the largest strongest airlines on the planet who had just gone through bankruptcy and was probably starting to question its policy of Airtran in its back yard. The odds of Airtran surviving long term as a stand alone company were slim as history shows. I am proud of the things Airtran was able to do and the pilots at Airtran are for the most part a great group of people who worked VERY hard to build a company that was sought after by SW management.

I don't see the point in fighting about the past on a website that is read by many pilots and can only keep the animosity burning between the two groups. In the long term it will only hurt the surviving company going forward whose success is probably the best way to bring everybody together.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Hey JA,

If I wrote this, would it be considered "pissing on people's legs" or "starting a fight"?

I don't want to run afoul of the forum rules you've created just for me.

Thanks!

(Oh, and nothing personal Leeroy, I just used the last post as an example)

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[dicko]

That is their point..

In summary; I'm a junior F.O. with everything to gain and no seniority to lose. I'm willing to throw anybody under the bus and undermine my union it its attempt to defend their position for fair pay and seniority.

Much more concise.




Edited: I generalized and I like squirrels.