ahh the wisdom of General Lee

[CitationLover]

General Lee circa 2003.

"And remember, Delta lost a lot less than the other majors last quarter. We lost a total of $320mil, and $120mil of that was one of those one time charges---that supposedly don't come back. We knew in advance that this last quarter was our weakest. Our CFO believes that we will break even for the next three quarters--which is better than losses. We have more cash than anyone except Southwest, and another $5 billion we can mortgage. We put $65 million into Song, and another $30 million into new self-check-in kiosks (about 700 more) at major airports. Things are coming along fine at Delta--and we are adapting to the LCC threats, unlike most other Majors. AA lost close to $1Billion for the quarter, and UAL lost $1.5 billion ---or $500 million a month for three months. Now look again at Delta's $200 million loss (without the charge). We hedge fuel better than anyone--which will help during the Iraq war. We will be around after all of this, and probably buy up most of the pieces. I don't expect to see Jetblue or Southwest taxiing next to me in Rome anytime in the near future.

Bye Bye---General Lee "

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=14270&highlight=delta+pay+concessions

you still listen to him?!?!

 

[FreightNazi]

More famous quotes from our beloved General.....



From the General...

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When Delta comes out of this after the Iraq deal, we will be stronger.

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We have the upper hand here

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I think we are doing a lot better than the other guys

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We hedge fuel better than anyone else,

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We have more cash than anyone

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Things are coming along fine at Delta--and we are adapting to the LCC threats, unlike most other Majors.

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We will have 36 757's by the end of the year, providing more seats with better entertainment systems

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we have more cash than anyone---and not losiong it as fast as AA

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All I am saying is that Delta is not doing as bad as AA or UAL

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The economy will eventually rebound, and the Iraq thing will be over quickly

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Delta has more cash and mortgageable assets than almost anyone

 

[Gulfstream 200]

So what?

At the end of the day The General is just another number on a list who may just lose his paycheck as his employer is pretty much worthless.

Yes, he knows more and thinks more about DAL than anyone ever should, and his enthusiasm for just another down the tubes airline is a bit odd (sorry General)....but he sounds like a heck of a lot better guy to fly with than some whiny clueless blame everyone else pilots or even worse the pathetic now generation of loser RJ pilots....living at home with momma and thinking 45K is "pretty good money"....theres your future and it PI$$ES General off. rightfully so. Why dosen't it pi$$ YOU off? thats the real question...

I say congrats General for keeping a somewhat positive attitude, he may need it in the near future along with many others who are just numbers.

If you asked anyone back in 99-2000 what they thought about UAL/DAL/NWA/USAIR all being pretty much dead in 5 years they would have laughed thier a$$e$ off at you. It was just a few years back that people could not even make it to all thier major interviews...or were juggling 2 and 3 offers from legacy carriers. You too would have told FEDEX/UPS no thanks and taken the job at DAL, they paid the best and looked like a lifetime job.

No need to rub anyones nose in it. Least he made it there and had a CHANCE to make some real bucks, most of the ones laughing at him wont even get that shot.

 

[nimtz]

Buddy you really need a hobby. Especially when you consider that General Lee has what 5,000+ posts. Perhaps you should concentrate more on your next Star Wars convention.

 

[General Lee]

Wow, thanks for the thread about me. Yeah, a lot of my quotes have been off. It is amazing reading some of those, makes me laugh actually. At the time I said those things, a lot of them were TRUE. Amazing how they are now not true. Could I have changed things on my own? Nope. I am just a line pilot with an opinion. And, as Gulfstream 200 has put it, I try to stay positive and hope that our leaders have the ability to get things done. Guess what? They really haven't. I can yell and scream with opinions, but nobody would ever care or listen. I am not an MBA yahoo who knows everything (like Lowecur...), but I at least put my head out there with ideas and try to back them up. I am not always correct, but I try.


Keep bringing up the old quotes---and this time look for ones that I got right.

Bye Bye--General Lee (on the way to 10,000 posts)

 

[Redmeat]

More famous quotes from our beloved General.....



From the General...

General Lee circa 2003.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=14270&highlight=delta+pay+concessions

you still listen to him?!?!

FreightNazi is a poser/flamer and CitationLover is a self-loathing CRJ pilot. No further explanation needed.

 

[Yank McCobb]

And Nimitz, you are a putz. Way to go looking stupid. I try to give my opinions, and you give dumb put downs. Were you a fat bulley in school? Yup, and you're still fat probably. L is for LOSER.



Bye Bye--General Lee (on the way to 10,000 posts)

Talk about looking stupid. Even from the cheap seats I can see he wasn't talking to or about you...rather the thread starter for going to all that trouble digging though 5000+ posts to find those quotes.

Lighten up General. It really ISN'T all about YOU.

 

[nimtz]

And Nimitz, you are a putz. Way to go looking stupid. I try to give my opinions, and you give dumb put downs. Were you a fat bulley in school? Yup, and you're still fat probably. L is for LOSER.

Ah GL, I'm on your side. I think anybody that tries to put you down by spending the time to look two years back for one of 5,000+ posts needs help with his personal life.

 

[General Lee]

I screwed that up, again. I erased my put downs of Nimitz. Sorry----my fault. Thanks Nimitz, and Thanks Cobb. I get slammed so often sometimes I can't see the good remarks. I apologize to Nimitz.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

So, Citation Lover, besides The General being human and sometimes wrong what else have you learned since 2003?? Are you drawing any conclusions about the industry or individual companies involved?? Care to share?

 

[CitationLover]

FreightNazi is a poser/flamer and CitationLover is a self-loathing CRJ pilot. No further explanation needed.

i'm sorry i don't fly the "heavies" like you guys. get over your hard on.

i actually had a life out of aviation and made some money, so no self-loathing here. just enjoying something i like to do.

and as for "digging" through 5,000 posts, it took me 15 seconds to find it. not quite the digging. just poking fun at the general. he seems to get it.

 

[CitationLover]

So, Citation Lover, besides The General being human and sometimes wrong what else have you learned since 2003?? Are you drawing any conclusions about the industry or individual companies involved?? Care to share?

perhaps we should stick to flying and not gloating about "buying up the pieces". but ok, i get it, he flies a BOEING so he's entitled to be arrogant every now and then.

 

[bafanguy]

GL sounds very much like the rank-and-file DL pilot of 25 years ago, defending the company and being proud of it. He's just one generation out of phase through no fault of his own. Perhaps 6000 others like him would be a tangible asset these days.Take your cheap shots at him, but how many of you can say you would still be trying to find something positive about your company over the last two years had it been in similar circumstances and you were just being swept along with a tide you couldn't control ?

I've seen no geniuses on this forum. Everyone seems to be CEO quality intellect but what airline are YOU running successfully ?

I find nothing wrong with GL's view and hopefulness. What would you ask of him...to have an attitude like mine ?

 

[CitationLover]

If you asked anyone back in 99-2000 what they thought about UAL/DAL/NWA/USAIR all being pretty much dead in 5 years they would have laughed thier a$$e$ off at you. It was just a few years back that people could not even make it to all thier major interviews...or were juggling 2 and 3 offers from legacy carriers. You too would have told FEDEX/UPS no thanks and taken the job at DAL, they paid the best and looked like a lifetime job.

hey the quote was from 2003 not pre-9/11 so your analogy is wrong.

 

[General Lee]

GL sounds very much like the rank-and-file DL pilot of 25 years ago, defending the company and being proud of it. He's just one generation out of phase through no fault of his own. Perhaps 6000 others like him would be a tangible asset these days.Take your cheap shots at him, but how many of you can say you would still be trying to find something positive about your company over the last two years had it been in similar circumstances and you were just being swept along with a tide you couldn't control ?

I've seen no geniuses on this forum. Everyone seems to be CEO quality intellect but what airline are YOU running successfully ?

I find nothing wrong with GL's view and hopefulness. What would you ask of him...to have an attitude like mine ?

I try to stay positive, when I am not crying in the corner......And I know that you took the ultimate sacrfice. You probably were around when this company was great, and it must have really shocked you watching it fall. I got here late and hope to stay awhile..... I always wanted to fly for Delta, and I have been trying to stay upbeat throughout all of this. My opinions have been my own, and lately I have been cranky. (ask Nimitz) Sorry.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Boeingman]

Large airplane envy alert

perhaps we should stick to flying and not gloating about "buying up the pieces". but ok, i get it, he flies a BOEING so he's entitled to be arrogant every now and then.

Is that the same principle as you flying a CRJ so you're entitled to be a douchebag every now and then? I didn't think so.

I certainly don't agree with everything the General says but there is nothing wrong with a positive outlook. In times like these it helps keep you sanity.
With luck, hopefully you'll never feel the pain and dread of what the folks at Delta are about to endure.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

hey the quote was from 2003 not pre-9/11 so your analogy is wrong.

yeah, and you fly an RJ.....and "made your money ouside aviation"...good thing...because you aren't gonna make it flying an airplane..

let me guess - aviation as a second career? fun wearing off yet?

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[CitationLover]

yeah, and you fly an RJ.....and "made your money ouside aviation"...good thing...because you aren't gonna make it flying an airplane..

let me guess - aviation as a second career? fun wearing off yet?

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well any job is a job. have you ever had a job after college other than aviation?

 

[CitationLover]

Is that the same principle as you flying a CRJ so you're entitled to be a douchebag every now and then? I didn't think so.

I certainly don't agree with everything the General says but there is nothing wrong with a positive outlook. In times like these it helps keep you sanity.
With luck, hopefully you'll never feel the pain and dread of what the folks at Delta are about to endure.

just being the "bottomfeeder", albeit a wholly owned one, that you accuse us of.....

 

[Traderd]

I try to stay positive, when I am not crying in the corner......And I know that you took the ultimate sacrfice. You probably were around when this company was great, and it must have really shocked you watching it fall. I got here late and hope to stay awhile..... I always wanted to fly for Delta, and I have been trying to stay upbeat throughout all of this. My opinions have been my own, and lately I have been cranky. (ask Nimitz) Sorry.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I am curious - Exactly which General do you claim to be?

Are you the car;

Or the Righteous Robert E. ?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

well any job is a job. have you ever had a job after college other than aviation?

Nope. never needed one. My first job as a CFI in 1995 paid more than an RJ FO in 2005....and I thought that was bad at 20yrs old...how ya doing with that?

Like the general, I enjoy flying a nice jet and get paid a decent, but modest, 6 figure salary to do it...

and you? why you so happy to see the decent paying jobs end? where you going?

think about it this way...in many states General Lee can make more on unemployment that you make in that RJ. how about that?

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[Boeingman]

just being the "bottomfeeder", albeit a wholly owned one, that you accuse us of.....

I think you have some serious issues sport. Although comments and attitudes like yours do nothing to dispell the reasons that some paint with a broad brush about our regional partners.

Oh yes, and as an FYI I would be interested to know where I called you a "bottom feeder". You can see that the brush paints both ways. Imagine that.

 

[CitationLover]

I think you have some serious issues sport. Although comments and attitudes like yours do nothing to dispell the reasons that some paint with a broad brush about our regional partners.

Oh yes, and as an FYI I would be interested to know where I called you a "bottom feeder". You can see that the brush paints both ways. Imagine that.

well boeingman my initial comments were never directed at you so why are you posting on this thread?

yes pilots are underpaid (no one understands that more than regional pilots), however the economic realities are driving this trend of the legacies. i was just calling the general on one specific post regarding delta, and all his "fraternity" bros (delta sigma boeing/airbus) jumped to his defense.

 

[CitationLover]

Nope. never needed one. My first job as a CFI in 1995 paid more than an RJ FO in 2005....and I thought that was bad at 20yrs old...how ya doing with that?

Like the general, I enjoy flying a nice jet and get paid a decent, but modest, 6 figure salary to do it...

and you? why you so happy to see the decent paying jobs end? where you going?

think about it this way...in many states General Leecan make more on umemployment that you make in that RJ. how about that?

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once again gulfstream you are attacking the source rather than addressing the issue. i made 6 figures (as you put it) for a long enough time to realize that "6 figures" really isn't THAT much money as a pension consultant. i have never said i was happy about "decent paying jobs ending" (please provide a quote mr. specific). where is your ATTACK on the general regarding the demise of those legacy carriers that delta (at least in 2003) was going to buy you hypocrite?

and yes it horrible the salaries (if you want to call it that) that regional FO's make. where the f@#$ am I defending these you imbecile?

you have no experience OUTSIDE aviation and thus do not realize that MOST jobs REAL wages have gone down over the last few years. your blinders makes you attack that which you know nothing about.

 

[Redmeat]

i was just calling the general on one specific post regarding delta, and all his "fraternity" bros (delta sigma boeing/airbus) jumped to his defense.

I wasn't necessarily defending the General, I just don't like regional guys, that's all.

 

[79%N1]

I wasn't necessarily defending the General, I just don't like regional guys, that's all.

Whats your friggin problem with "Regional Guys?" I am a regional guy. I get up in the morning, shower, have some breakfast, kiss my wife and go to work....I fly where the company tells me to, as safely as I can. I try to get along with my crew, accomodate the customers, stay proficient, study for my checkrides, be on time........Then I go home, watch Sportcenter, have a beer and some dinner, and go to bed........So, what have I done to you to make you not like me????? I have to know!

 

[Boeingman]

well boeingman my initial comments were never directed at you so why are you posting on this thread?

yes pilots are underpaid (no one understands that more than regional pilots), however the economic realities are driving this trend of the legacies. i was just calling the general on one specific post regarding delta, and all his "fraternity" bros (delta sigma boeing/airbus) jumped to his defense.

I'm sorry....did I need permission to chime in? A thousand pardons Sire.

Fraternity bros? There you go again with that envy issue. I didn't look at it as jumping to his defense rather more so pointing out you sound quite immature rubbing salt in the wound. Sounds like you are one of those guys who thinks that your are entitled to step directly into the left seat of a Boeing and bypass the process right? Let me guess PFT? Flying that CRJ beneath your vast experience and exposure to the aviation industry?

Now we are also digressing to regional pilots being underpaid? This has what to do with General's enthusiasm? A little thread drift here?

 

[Redmeat]

Whats your friggin problem with "Regional Guys?" I am a regional guy. I get up in the morning, shower, have some breakfast, kiss my wife and go to work....I fly where the company tells me to, as safely as I can. I try to get along with my crew, accomodate the customers, stay proficient, study for my checkrides, be on time........Then I go home, watch Sportcenter, have a beer and some dinner, and go to bed........So, what have I done to you to make you not like me????? I have to know!

I will take that back. I don't like MOST regional pilots. However, you sound like a mature pilot. You need to police your own. There are many in your pilot group who are giving YOU a bad name. A lot of very immature individuals in your group.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

once again gulfstream you are attacking the source rather than addressing the issue. i made 6 figures (as you put it) for a long enough time to realize that "6 figures" really isn't THAT much money as a pension consultant. i have never said i was happy about "decent paying jobs ending" (please provide a quote mr. specific). where is your ATTACK on the general regarding the demise of those legacy carriers that delta (at least in 2003) was going to buy you hypocrite?

and yes it horrible the salaries (if you want to call it that) that regional FO's make. where the f@#$ am I defending these you imbecile?

you have no experience OUTSIDE aviation and thus do not realize that MOST jobs REAL wages have gone down over the last few years. your blinders makes you attack that which you know nothing about.

No.

You started this thread simply to poke at Gen Lee. You seem to take enjoyment out of the fact that his good paying job (and 1000's of others) may be gone forever. "told ya General..haha"

Why is it that so many RJ pilots get off about the demise of the mainline jobs? where do you think you are going?

I figured this was "second career syndrome" the glossy pages of some Comair ad got to you, huh? sick of flying the cubicle?

heck, at least you can go back to that pension consulting job (whatever) after the SJS wears off. Consider yourself lucky!

I guess being an airline pilot is kind of a short term hobby these days anyhow.

Keep the cool uniform though, you can always wear it on Halloween.

 

[chperplt]

There are many in your pilot group who are giving YOU a bad name. A lot of very immature individuals in your group.

I don't know what pilot group you belong to, but I'm guessing it's the arrogant one. There are a lot of very immature individuals in every pilot group, young to old, regional to major.