Age limit will increase to 67 by years end.

[SIG600]

Still don't what the question is? BTW Something we agree on, ability declines with age, just not uniformly. To set one age as a the cut off ignores the more rapid decline of some of the younger pilots. One standard for all regardless of age.:laugh:

Tilt your head back further so your trifocals will allow you to read the entire post. His question was in the part you snipped off.

Don't worry either, no one wants your seat.

 

[pilotyip]

Tilt your head back further so your trifocals will allow you to read the entire post. His question was in the part you snipped off.

Don't worry either, no one wants your seat.

1st class medical, no limitations including glasses so I don't have to look through my tri-focals. Do just fine without glasses.

 

[waveflyer]

ATFQ yip or just shut it- you're a one trick pony.

And yes- if I'm doing their job, and making the decisions in spite of them- I ought to be making the money they are. Why do you refuse to admit that pilots like all people decline with age?

I asked you a very straightforward question many posts ago: you highlighted your cargo schedule where pilots in their 20's and 30's were catching naps to make it through. And I asked, "true, but who could handle that schedule better, yip at 30 or yip at 60?

Says volumes that you won't answer.

Here's the thing fellas- we know what this group is. So WE have to take from them now. It is the only remedy for that generation of leeches

 

[laker4284]

Here's the thing fellas- we know what this group is. So WE have to take from them now. It is the only remedy for that generation of leeches

"Take from"?

Of course, the corollary is that the same generation GAVE five years BACK to our profession (which had been unfairly/illegally taken away in 1959-60). Five YEARS is huge in an age where retirement depends on asset accumulation via 401k, etc.

So, you might say "Thank you!"

The complaint might better be presented as an implementation issue than the age change itself. Implementation went through many iterations over the past 15 years, but what we ended up with was more a reflection of political reality tan so-called "greed".

Now...

back to my coffee.

 

[Andy]

Of course, the corollary is that the same generation GAVE five years BACK to our profession (which had been unfairly/illegally taken away in 1959-60). Five YEARS is huge in an age where retirement depends on asset accumulation via 401k, etc.

So, you might say "Thank you!"

Let me be the first to thank you and your generation for an additional 4 years of furlough.

 

[727gm]

Let me be the first to thank you and your generation for an additional 4 years of furlough.

If you were more senior, you wouldn't have been furloughed. That's seniority.

 

[SIG600]

If you were more senior, you wouldn't have been furloughed. That's seniority.

And we would ALL be five years closer to retirement.

 

[laker4284]

Let me be the first to thank you and your generation for an additional 4 years of furlough.

You're welcome (written just as sarcastically as was your post).

Perhaps your airline furloughed due to the age change impact on your training department. Perhaps. The biggest impact, by far, was the worst recession since the Great Depression. That was not the fault of older pilots. Obviously.

But NOT ALL airlines furloughed due to training issues. Not even most did. Some airlines (perhaps just as many?) continued to grow and hire or at a minimum endured the status quo.

Re retirements and "training furloughs" you were at the wrong airline, Andy. It's tiresome to hear you keep pounding that drum. You picked the wrong one, or it had contracts with training clauses that proved to be damaging...or you were just unlucky.

Many thousands in my generation got unlucky, too. The '80 and '90s were a bloodbath. My airline vanished forever and I started over. I got over it.

60 should never have happened; its change was long overdue; some folks got hurt and that's a damned shame but...

That's life.

 

[Andy]

Laker, you are a poster child for the narcissism that permeates throughout your generation. You can 'rationalize' it any way you like, but a LOT of people were hurt by your generation's 'gift.'

 

[laker4284]

Laker, you are a poster child for the narcissism that permeates throughout your generation. You can 'rationalize' it any way you like, but a LOT of people were hurt by your generation's 'gift.'

And a lot were helped.

Long term, ALL airline pilots' career was extended. Spare me your self-centered and short-sighted angst. You were with the wrong airline and the wrong place in space and time. It happens.

We've all seen hardship in this career. Blame it on Carter and deregulation. In the meantime, calling me (my generation) narcissistic won't cut it. We've seen too much to be impressed.

 

[kwick]

Laker, you are a poster child for the narcissism that permeates throughout your generation. You can 'rationalize' it any way you like, but a LOT of people were hurt by your generation's 'gift.'

You got ahead because of DISCRIMINATION, do you get it?

Just because you think you're better than Blacks, or women, or
other minorities, doesn't work anymore!

Your thinking is not accepted anymore.

Join the twenty-first century man, and lose the attitude.

Nazis and KKK members aren't that popular on the flight deck anymore.

Grow up!

 

[sleepy]

I don't see age 60, 65 or 67 as realistic retirement ages any longer. 70 is the new 60, so that seems about the right time to go. With people living into their 80's and 90's now you have to work longer to survive. The decline in health care that will come with Obamacare might change this, but for now I would say that if you can get a first class medical you can fly till you die.

I am 50 and thanks to good planning will retire at 60, although I should not have to if I can still do the job well.

 

[kwick]

A lot of good Americans died fighting against your type of
discrimination!

 

[Flopgut]

And a lot were helped.

Long term, ALL airline pilots' career was extended. Spare me your self-centered and short-sighted angst. You were with the wrong airline and the wrong place in space and time. It happens.

We've all seen hardship in this career. Blame it on Carter and deregulation. In the meantime, calling me (my generation) narcissistic won't cut it. We've seen too much to be impressed.

Four (4) pilots were over age 60 when that became the age limit. That's how many got screwed by it.

Andy wasn't with the wrong airline at the wrong time. He had the misfortune of following in your generation's wake. He'd be an Airbus captain if a guy like you hadn't sold out scope and then pushed for retirement age change. Or, in other words, if you'd been half the fellow pilot to him the pilot generation before you was to you.

How about you respond to my earlier post directed at you? Time to show some leadership and ethical behavior and support 65 and retirement progression resuming.

 

[Flopgut]

I don't see age 60, 65 or 67 as realistic retirement ages any longer. 70 is the new 60, so that seems about the right time to go. With people living into their 80's and 90's now you have to work longer to survive. The decline in health care that will come with Obamacare might change this, but for now I would say that if you can get a first class medical you can fly till you die.

I am 50 and thanks to good planning will retire at 60, although I should not have to if I can still do the job well.

I spent a lot of time in the 91 and 135 world. I never met a sharp pilot who couldn't fly past airline retirement age if they really wanted to. However, there are a great many who didn't/don't get that choice. They are typically the pilots with marginal stick skills or personality problems. They are, for the most part, the ones who pushed the age increase to 65 (and are still pushing it). So what was true with 60 is no less true with 65. The sharp ones will have an opportunity. The goofballs will keep bawling for more airline years be given to them.