You seem to have moved off of the claim that this fell from the sky into Congress' lap without a lot of support from pilots.
I said no such thing. Nor has my position changed, as it's the truth. Congress passed the legislation. It wasn't passed by pilots. I didn't lobby for it, neither did an organization to which I below contribute money, or lobby for it. Pilots didn't push it through. Elected members of congress did this. Furthermore, pilots didn't vote for it. This was done as an act of congress, and became public law. Again we see that you lie. You tell lies, and are therefore, a liar.
Flopgut, on the other hand, has resorted to quoting country western songs. We have already very clearly seen that his or her credibility is zero due to both a severe misunderstanding and misrepresentation of the facts (read lies), and may be fully discounted. Hamburger is no different, as we see above, and will continue to see. Avbug didn't "squawk 1200" incidentally...which of course represents another lie. Still here. Just working.
You've claimed that FO's have lost nothing as a result.
No, actually I didn't. I claim and state that it just doesn't matter. It's not a matter of losing what they don't have. You're going to surrender your career here, today, to give those beneath you what you have? No, liar? Not going to do it? You're a hypocrite, which is by definition a liar, and this, we already know of you. You lie about what I've stated, lie about the true nature of the legisaltion, and can't get your own story straight.
What a first officer may have lost is immaterial. Airlines go bankrupt. First officers lose, there, too. Airlines merge. First officers lose there, too. Furloughs occur, and first officers go out the door then, as well. Age 65...not so much. You're looking for someone, something to blame, and trying to say it just isn't fair. Life isn't fair. In this career, you're going to see multiple furloughs. You're going to see job changes. You're not owed a thing. Nothing. No company is obligated to give you what came before. We have pay tiers. Pilots won't get what those who came before got, because the pay scale doesn't go that high. Pilots may be furloughed while those more senior to them keep their jobs. I'm furloughed right now, myself. Am I crying about it? No.
Pilots above me who are above age 60 are flying as captains and as first officers on company equipment, all around the globe. Do I think this is unfair? No...because they are more senior to me. They put in many more years with the company than I did. I'm not entitled to their job. I've flown with many of them, and they're highly qualified individuals from whom I've learned a lot. I don't begrudge them a thing, and I'm glad they're doing what they love to do. Should I still be alive when I reach that stage, I hope I'm able to keep on doing the same thing.
As we see, therefore, while my position has not changed on the subject, you've lied and stated that it has...you are consistent in that you cannot tell the truth, and as you cannot speak the truth, you cannot be trusted, and therefore your thoughts, comments, and statements are meaningless and without value. This we knew before, and you continue to leave no doubt. Shortly you will go on the ignore list, too.
Also, still waiting how my "move over old man" mantra is any different than the mantra of those same guys 20 years ago when they got their upgrade class.
You say "still waiting," but you're not still waiting, because you haven't asked this before. Therefore, again you lie.
When those who are age 60 today were waiting for their upgrade class 20 years ago, they didn't need anyone to get out of their way. They simply lived in their seniority, being junior, and eventually by the progression of time became senior. As everyone does. They weren't calling for people to take an early retirement or sacrifice their careers. They patiently waited their turn, upgraded, and are now the senior pilots.
You, on the other hand, can't wait. You want them, those who put in their time (unlike you), waited, did 30 or more years for the company, and earned their place, to simply walk away from all those years, all that effort, and give it all to you. This is greed. This is avarice. This is a disgusting, pathetic, vile drive you have to take and get what isn't yours. You covet. You lie.
Those ahead of you did their time, to be sure. Nobody walked off the job early to give them a head start. Nobody surrendered their career. Those ahead of them left when it was legally their time. Over the past couple of decades, it's been age 60. That wasn't always the case, either. Today it's age 65. That may not always be the case. What was, and what may be, however, are irrelevant and without import here, because the only thing which matters is what IS. What IS, is age 65, and you can wait until those above you complete their careers. Those who are ages 60 to 65 presently, waited until those above them completed their careers. You can do the same. You'll just wait a little longer.
As for blaming all your woes on a few senior pilots (and it is a few), you might have missed the global economic recession that's going on. You're so anxious to blame your perceived troubles on a few, that you miss the big picture. Furloughs, cutbacks, downgrades, and other signs and symptoms of the industry are a result of the economic troubles, not a few pilots who will work until they're 65. Your misdirection from the truth to your own narrow view is of it's own accord, also a lie.
I most certainly will surrender my seat at 60. Hopefully sooner.
We all hope you do, too.
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about CEOs giving themselves a raise while cutting the pay of workers? Is it the CEOs or the workers who are greedy?
Senior captains are not CEO's. Your comparison is nonsensical and non-seqitur. It's a lie.
Senior captains have not given themselves a raise. Another lie.
Senior Captains have not cut the pay of those junior to them. You lie again. Three lies in one sentence. You're attempting to outdo yourself. Even a greedy liar such as yourself finds a need to get more, from a single sentence. Truly sad.
What I might think about a CEO is irrelevant, as it has no bearing on this conversation. You know that, of course, yet try to distract from the truth...which is of itself, a lie. Why do you feel the need to lie about everything?
Your assertions that wanting NOT ONE IOTA more than what every pilot before us had is greedy while the 65er wanting MORE than what every pilot before them had, at the expense of those below them, isn't greedy is a resounding failure. Do understand that greed is wanting MORE than your peers, not wanting exactly the same?
Tell me, as a greedy lying hypocrite, are you prepared to divide your salary today among those junior to you, in order that they might have what you have? You certainly want those above you to do it, to give you what they have. Why have you not done this for those junior to you? Why don't you donate your salary to the young man flying piston freight? You want equality, everyone having the same thing, do you? What have YOU done to make this happen.
If indeed you truly want everyone to have the same thing, this mythical equality of which you speak, you'd have already taken steps to make it happen. You don't want to give away anything you've got...you're not truly interested in equality, as this is a lie. You want what others have. You want more. You're upset that those above you don't give you some of their pizza...you're not about to share yours with those beneath you. this is the action of a hypocrite and a liar. It is who you are; one without honor but filled with greed, who can only look upward and think to himself how very much he wants what's above, yet who thinks nothing of those beneath.
Are you upset because you're attempting to blaze a righteous path for those who come after you, or are you simply trying to get what you think should be yours? You're only interested in you...you have no thoughts of equality. "Equality" to you means you get a share of what those above you have. You want them to step aside so you can have it. You don't want them to wait until the law requires them to retire. You want them to surrender, to sacrife, to waste, to give up, to walk away from their careers in order that you can get more. This is pure greed. Filthy, disgusting, honorless, greed manifest as raging hypocricy in your failure to do the same for those below you.
Unmasked, your position is an ugly one, stripped of innocense, and without pretense of equality or doing good. Your aim is clear, your goal unambiguous. You want what others have, what you have not earned. Your mantra remains unchanged. "Get out of the way, old man. I want your job."
You can disguise it any way you like, but you're easily seen for what you are, and it's far from complimentary.
Again, we can safely conclude you have nothing to offer here, and have no need to carry on discussion with you in the future. You've depleted your value in the conversation, and your credibility store has long since gone bankrupt. Your lies are uncovered, your agenda made bare, and you, too, are relegated to the ignore list.
