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The Prussian said:
Freight Dog...

Yep...I'd put that number at one to start off with - your wife. :rolleyes:
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See, my wife has a little more integrity than that to begin with. Secondly, why would she even care on a personal level? I fly a large cabin bizjet making what I'd be making as a legacy captain.
 
The truly funniest thing about the age-60 issue is the position taken by the “get out of my seat" crowd (Flopgut, Andy, etc) that they will be retiring at age-60, notwithstanding the age change. The truth that they won't say is that that is total BS. That group will be working to age-65 or until they drop dead just like everyone else. Have you noticed that in the year and a half since the age change, no one, no one has retired "early?" Yes, they all say they plan to retire "early," even before age 60, but the fact is that they are all just like everyone else, they want and need the money. Yes, no one is going to retire at age-60 just to advance the junior pilots. What a joke that is. It's all bull $hit, that is the high and mighty who say the age-60 rule is bad for the industry.

The truth is that those who advocated and lobbied for the change should be praised for helping to allow all pilots the opportunity to work and provide for his family if that is the need. And for most of us, that is the need.

I’m waiting.
 
fob727 said:
I get the "crybaby" from all your pi$$ing and moaning. It's the law...get over it.
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Yeah, it's a law, but it's also more than that. It was an event that should have triggered an order and award of seniority. It was outside the CBA and created more than one pilot for one position. Prater made it happen; Doesn't matter if it was going to [might of] anyway at some point in the future. A single event like this happens from time to time and more often than not it gets arbitrated. Forget how old any of us are and what age we all have to retire and overlay past arbitrations onto this issue where career expectations were included. This one event should have included a one time seniority correction and IMHO, the "experienced pilots" [per FAR] wouldn't win. And they shouldn't!

This event was as equally different from one that would trigger traditional furloughs (strict seniority) as it would be from an event that would get arbitrated IMHO. Factor in that Prater has clearly displayed lack of respect for career expectations and for arbitration and I think we have a case. Why not roll the dice and file a lawsuit? It can't get much more lopsided than it is?

This profession is not going to evolve by just saying "get over it". That's acting foolish.
 
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The actual age is just a technicality. What pisses me off is that most of these old farts are in severe denial regarding their flying skills. Everyone knows how easy it is to get a medical. The check airman is your old buddy fred, and is even older then the guy recieving the check. These are the things that lead to accidents.

Hopefully when I'm that age I'll know when to say when. Regardless of my finances.

How many times do you have to scare the S**t out of yourself and crew before you know it's time to hang it up?
 
Flying skills are individual skills. Hate to break it to you, but there are plenty of young guys who can't fly their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
Fubijaakr said:
Flying skills are individual skills. Hate to break it to you, but there are plenty of young guys who can't fly their way out of a wet paper bag.
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Don't worry, your not your not telling me anything I didn't know. And I'm sure there are many Old pilots that have excellent flying skills.

The point that I'm trying to make is that it is easy for older crew members to slip through the cracks. The "good old boy mentality" is alive and well. I have personally seen it kill a friend of mine. And I know two other Sr. pilots that had to retire after destroying airplanes. They were lucky to escape with their lives.

The FAA just put out a SAFO targeting "low time" crew members. I think that they are barking up the wrong tree. If you went and graphed Accident rate vs age, I'm guessing you would find something similar to vehicles. A high rate with new pilots, followed by a low rate with middle aged pilots, and a high rate again with old pilots. And now that the "greediest generation" occupies most pilot seats, a rise in accidents is expected.
 
Actually, the title of "greediest generation" (at least among pilots) seems to apply to the anti-Age 65ers.
 
Fubijaakr said:
Actually, the title of "greediest generation" (at least among pilots) seems to apply to the anti-Age 65ers.
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Oh please! This is a tough career field to be in but you and all your old buddies benefited greatly from age 60. You all moved up in seniority on the backs of those that were forced out at age 60. Now, with age 65 you get to hang out in the left seat and force all those below you to stay seat locked for another 5 years or furloughed. Alaska guys who stick around are bums in my book because they have a fully funded pension in addition to military retirements, 401Ks, mutual funds, multiple houses and a host of other investments. Most are sticking around for the "fun" of it and the easy schedule while the airline is furloughing the young FOs with kids to feed. Just ask ole Kim K why he sticks around. He always brags about how many millions he has and all his properties, boats, toys and the such. You want to talk about greed, just take a look at your geezer peers at Alaska.
 
Age 65 means at least and EXTRA $2 MILLION in pay and benefits for actually working LESS than half of those extra five years. I love age 65!
 
What about brotherhood?

Mamma said:
Oh please! This is a tough career field to be in but you and all your old buddies benefited greatly from age 60. You all moved up in seniority on the backs of those that were forced out at age 60. Now, with age 65 you get to hang out in the left seat and force all those below you to stay seat locked for another 5 years or furloughed. Alaska guys who stick around are bums in my book because they have a fully funded pension in addition to military retirements, 401Ks, mutual funds, multiple houses and a host of other investments. Most are sticking around for the "fun" of it and the easy schedule while the airline is furloughing the young FOs with kids to feed. Just ask ole Kim K why he sticks around. He always brags about how many millions he has and all his properties, boats, toys and the such. You want to talk about greed, just take a look at your geezer peers at Alaska.
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You mean there is no brotherhood, everyone looks out for thmeselves?
 
Mamma said:
Oh please! This is a tough career field to be in but you and all your old buddies benefited greatly from age 60. You all moved up in seniority on the backs of those that were forced out at age 60. Now, with age 65 you get to hang out in the left seat and force all those below you to stay seat locked for another 5 years or furloughed. Alaska guys who stick around are bums in my book because they have a fully funded pension in addition to military retirements, 401Ks, mutual funds, multiple houses and a host of other investments. Most are sticking around for the "fun" of it and the easy schedule while the airline is furloughing the young FOs with kids to feed. Just ask ole Kim K why he sticks around. He always brags about how many millions he has and all his properties, boats, toys and the such. You want to talk about greed, just take a look at your geezer peers at Alaska.
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I especially enjoy when my captain for the day tells me stories about driving his race car, and the joys of spending all his money. "Yeah, we're going to Europe this month to see my son Timmy and his new wife. She's a real looker you know."

This is my cue to go to the lav and take a dump for 20 Min.
 

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