Age 65 2007

[walkthasky]

This just in " AGE 65 is discrimination too" ... CRAP!

 

[whoknows]

Oh shut up.... those senior pilot didn't have pensions and retirements yanked from them... or lose up to 60-70% of their pay. This isn't about money,

WHAT? I thought you said this was not about money. Are not pensions made of money?

 

[Phaedrus]

Are not pensions made of money?

Not anymore.

 

[SuperFLUF]

If the problems of 60-year old incapacitation are real and documented, then address them, but don't use an arbitrary age limit to avoid dealing with the problem.

The captain that just passed away on the CAL flight was 58 1/2.

 

[pilotyip]

Back in the 70's a 45 year old AAL Capt passed in flight, what does that have to do with anything?

 

[SkiFishFly]

The captain that just passed away on the CAL flight was 58 1/2.

The only thing the CAL incident proves is that it is a good idea to have 2 qualified flight crew.

 

[The Prussian]

Are not pensions made of money??

Not anymore.

Now that's funny...enjoying a good laugh!!!

 

[SpoolDaddy]

The only thing the CAL incident proves is that it is a good idea to have 2 qualified flight crew.

Actually, and sorry to be picky, it may prove more than that. Class 1 or equivalent medical certificates are issued world wide under criterea which varies widely country to country, where the USA falls about in the middle. We have all seen and flown with 50 year olds barely able to climb a flight of stairs, while I've watched 65 year olds smoke olympic distance triathlons. Like most legislation, the devil will be in the details, and our Class 1 criterea is probably overdue for an overhaul considering the advances of modern medicine.

Just to disclose my .02, I think the age should be raised to 65 only with the following completely unrealistic caveats:

1. Any pilot currently employed by a 121 carrier is allowed to retire at 60 with the contract provisions in place the day the age 65 legislation becomes effective.
2. Any pilot currently employed by a 121 carrier may work to age 65, but moves to the bottom of the seniority list upon their 60th birthday in recognition of the fact that their seniority is largely due to senior and older pilots having retired ahead of them at age 60. New hires after the age 65 legislation becomes effective may work to their 65th birthday without penalty.

Clearly, I'm against age 65 without my mythical caveats, but also realize that a pilot's or labor group's opinion on the matter counts for very little.

 

[RichardFitzwell]

I think once one turns 60 they should be given the option to fly until 65 as a First Officer only.

Those which lost some of their pensions can still earn a very good living in the right seat and those that wish to hold the left seat are not penalized for five more years from stagnation.

 

[bubbers44]

Who's court will that stand up in?

 

[Phaedrus]

Judge Wapner's. Of course then you'd be forced to converse with Doug Lewellyn after the bitter defeat.

 

[pipe]

I believe Doug Lewellyn has retired. He recognized that he had lost a bit of the edge off his game and hung it up. It's that type of character that has always made Doug Lewellyn an American hero in my book.

PIPE

 

[angry tanker]

Doesn't the government allow older people to "catch up" on their retirement/401K? So not only do they want to put more money away because they screwed up their retirement, but now want extra time to do it? It is about the money and piss poor planning.

How will this effect me...I'll get screwed because I will be paying for social security that I won't see, I'll be hit with a huge penalty for retiring at age 60, and I'll be stuck in my current seat due to no movement for the next 5 years since the retirements will slow down. Yeah it is fair for everyone, NOT! Please write to yor congress rep and senators to not allow it.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Compromise solutions regarding the implementation of increasing age 60+ pilots abound and many viable options are possible. The age 65 crowd is not trying to do the right thing concerning discrimination. The age 65 crowd is trying to simply create a windfall for themselves.

APAAD is not concerned about age 65 passing for another four years. Paul Emens needs the near retirement pilots to retire, improve his seniority, and then force the rule change so he can sit on top for another five years.

The age 65 crowd is the most vial, selfish, self serving, discriminator type of pilot possible other than a scab. The age 65 pilot wants what they want regardless of safety, discrimination, or ICAO policy.

The age 65 crowd will not compromise, we must not in support of age 60. Senator Inyofe has introduced the same bill Stevens did last year. The bill has no compromise or fairness in an age extension. Do not compromise the age 60 position the opposition is not willing to negotiate.

So I am assuming that you want to keep age 60 purely for safey and not because it would delay your upgrade time? Otherwise, that would be... how do you say... vial, selfish and self serving wouldn't it?

 

[pilotyip]

oh ryan this a pilot board stop dealing in reality. It is only self serving if it is some one else's position.