Age 65 2007

[Black Hawk]

Rules and laws are designed to be changed. It's called progress.

Finally some sense in this thread. FAR 121 has evolved and changed constantly over the years and will continue to do so. They are just minimum compliance standards. ALPA and the airlines can establish higher standards if they want to.

 

[Freight Dog]

IHF... it's called lowering one's standards. If age wasn't an issue, you wouldn't have the requirement for the other crewmember to be under 60.

That's a great comparison BTW.... can't help but laugh at the comparison between the age 60 rule and slavery. That's about what it will become if the rule gets lifted... you just try to retire at 60 or earlier - hope you hit the lottery beforehand.

BTW... no, I'm not getting used to the idea of airline pilots over 60. Just how APAAD is fighting to change the rule, you have a great deal of us fighting to preserve the rule.

Like I said, APAAD and the pro-change crowd is causing this "civil war" since you brought up slavery. Now, if they petitioned for pension reform to allow airline pilots full benefits at 60, you would see one big unified front. Instead... it's the house divided and the management is laughing.

 

[Flybynite]

You knew what you were getting into when you started this endeavor!

This battle was over the day they let foreign pilots over the age of 60 fly in U.S. airspace. Though, it is hard to believe they would even consider a change with such a compelling argument like this one.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

All will agree that the injustice of age 60 rule is not even in the same ballpark as slavery. But the priciple that an unjust law cannot be allowed to remain effect just because of the negative economic impact that will occur is totally apllicable.

If there was no age limit today, you could not justify enacting a limit at 60.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Chest: How about a friendly wager? One hundred dollars on a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse gift card (payable in an anonymous fashion of course). The bet: 70% of SWA pilots will regret the passage age 65 retirement age 12 months after it passes. How about it?

 

[Flopgut]

Rules and laws are designed to be changed. It's called progress. Age 60 is gone. Get used to it and plan accordingly or change careers.

IHF

There will be nothing you can term "progress", even remotely, after this retirement age change.

It's too bad you can't understand that.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Hey Chest: How about a friendly wager? One hundred dollars on a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse gift card (payable in an anonymous fashion of course). The bet: 70% of SWA pilots will regret the passage age 65 retirement age 12 months after it passes. How about it?

I do not know how we could quantify the 70% without a poll of some kind. I would be happy to ask the guys/girls that I am around and go to 60% on the wager, but that still wouldn't be very scientific. I do think that you are correct in that this will not be as good as many on the pro-change side believe, nor as bad as many on the anti-change side.

 

[Flopgut]

I do not know how we could quantify the 70% without a poll of some kind. I would be happy to ask the guys/girls that I am around and go to 60% on the wager, but that still wouldn't be very scientific. I do think that you are correct in that this will not be as good as many on the pro-change side believe, nor as bad as many on the anti-change side.

Let's do a poll on here, maybe. I want to stick with 70% so even as few as 7 out of 10 respondents will work.

This is going to be a wreck my friend, even over there. You're going to end up bringing hundreds back and getting sued by the rest. We are all going to be wishing we never did this.

Edit: The respondents have to be under age 60, OK? Let's run a poll thread and use the first 100 replies.

.....Actually, you're right, I don't know how we can do this....I'll think of something and get back to you. When does the SWAPA re-polling on the issue fininsh up?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

When does the SWAPA re-polling on the issue fininsh up?

Noon on Jan. 30th. It is purely electronic so results should be posted that afternoon or evening.

 

[Tram]

So, when should we know something definite?

Is this on a thing that is about to happen soon or is it a bunch of uproar for 3 years of hmmm hawing?

 

[Andy]

So, when should we know something definite?

Is this on a thing that is about to happen soon or is it a bunch of uproar for 3 years of hmmm hawing?

Blakey has a conference scheduled for the afternoon of 30 Jan at the National Press Club.

 

[Tram]

Thanks..

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Oh great. I have a bad feeling about what might be announced on the 30th. Does anyone have any inside information about what Blakey is going to announce or discuss?

 

[Flopgut]

I heard the announcment will be that an NPRM is forthcoming immediately. The time frame from there will be 12-18 months for effective date. I heard this from a guy who was at the ALPA thing in Chicago and got to chat with an ALPA leader.

 

[Flopgut]

Oh, and a committe will be formed that will include ALPA and other pilot leaders to formulate implementation. I heard things discussed like: A 10 year incremental phase in, no retired guys coming back, age 60+ fly FO only, etc. This is what ALPA is spitballing, they did go on to point out that SWA is likely to take an opposite position on almost all ALPA ideas and that will mess things up, and support the countless lawsuits that will be filed.