Age 65 2007

[pipe]

Its easy to have your view, when you are 25-35 yrs old. Believe me, when you get to 50, and your company has taken away everything that you were promised and planned for, your opinions will change like these other guys.

The only "fair" way to take care of this, is what I have proposed.

Its kind of odd that my dad (73 yrs old) can hold a first class medical, and fly a 737 on contract for the government, but cant fly 121.

If you EVER believe a promise from corporate America - jokes on you.

Until someone shows me how a 25-35 yr old pilot is ever gonna see one red cent of Social Security, I don't care to hear one frigging word about how the old guys have a "gap" at retirement. I see a gap coming for me too - it will go from retirement until they shovel dirt on me.

Unlike the "old guys", I am acknowledging that and planning for it. I will not whine as I approach mandatory retirement. I have seen what corporate America is about and I am not blind. I am also not obligated to save you at my personal expense. As a matter of fact, I will already be doing that by paying into SSA to cover the mess that the previous (your) generation allowed their government to put it in.

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[DustyBottoms]

Oh shut up.... those senior pilot didn't have pensions and retirements yanked from them... or lose up to 60-70% of their pay. This isn't about money, it's about discrimination. I for one completely support it.

It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic. Stating that the pilots of yesteryear had the luxury of pensions and retirements while the guys/gals flying now had it yanked from them, and then arguing that your reasoning is discrimination is funny stuff.

 

[skiandsurf]

the mess that the previous (your) generation allowed their government to put it in.

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I dont know that "my" generation allowed this. I am only 42. Still a few years away from 60.

My proposal, allows those that want to continue flying past 60...to continue (as a new hire FO). How many would do that is the question. When UAL had the FEs, some of the guys went to that seat. Most rarely worked (with all the vacation and sick time they had). This would allow those that want to keep flying the oppportunity to do so. The upgrades would still be happening. The off the street new hires would still be getting hired. (remember, you are not quarunteed anything from corporate america).

The airline keeps there costs down.
The pilots can keep flying (working) if they so desire.
The upgrades will not be effected.
The new hires (from the street) will still be getting hired.

 

[ABXbooger]

How about this...we all stop wasting time writing on FI.com and spend that time continuously writing all of our legislators and ensuring that our union monies are not spent supporting this. Even talking to Southwest guys, the majority there DO NOT want this, yet their union is spending their money pushing this. I am going to ensure the people at my company who don't want this make it VERY clear to our union.

Let's get as organized as the vast minority pushing this is...

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Compromise solutions regarding the implementation of increasing age 60+ pilots abound and many viable options are possible. The age 65 crowd is not trying to do the right thing concerning discrimination. The age 65 crowd is trying to simply create a windfall for themselves.

APAAD is not concerned about age 65 passing for another four years. Paul Emens needs the near retirement pilots to retire, improve his seniority, and then force the rule change so he can sit on top for another five years.

The age 65 crowd is the most vial, selfish, self serving, discriminator type of pilot possible other than a scab. The age 65 pilot wants what they want regardless of safety, discrimination, or ICAO policy.

The age 65 crowd will not compromise, we must not in support of age 60. Senator Inyofe has introduced the same bill Stevens did last year. The bill has no compromise or fairness in an age extension. Do not compromise the age 60 position the opposition is not willing to negotiate.

 

[pipe]

Compromise solutions regarding the implementation of increasing age 60+ pilots abound and many viable options are possible. The age 65 crowd is not trying to do the right thing concerning discrimination. The age 65 crowd is trying to simply create a windfall for themselves.

APAAD is not concerned about age 65 passing for another four years. Paul Emens needs the near retirement pilots to retire, improve his seniority, and then force the rule change so he can sit on top for another five years.

The age 65 crowd is the most vial, selfish, self serving, discriminator type of pilot possible other than a scab. The age 65 pilot wants what they want regardless of safety, discrimination, or ICAO policy.

The age 65 crowd will not compromise, we must not in support of age 60. Senator Inyofe has introduced the same bill Stevens did last year. The bill has no compromise or fairness in an age extension. Do not compromise the age 60 position the opposition is not willing to negotiate.

You're right. Did you write?

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[Chest Rockwell]

Compromise solutions regarding the implementation of increasing age 60+ pilots abound and many viable options are possible. The age 65 crowd is not trying to do the right thing concerning discrimination. The age 65 crowd is trying to simply create a windfall for themselves.

APAAD is not concerned about age 65 passing for another four years. Paul Emens needs the near retirement pilots to retire, improve his seniority, and then force the rule change so he can sit on top for another five years.

The age 65 crowd is the most vial, selfish, self serving, discriminator type of pilot possible other than a scab. The age 65 pilot wants what they want regardless of safety, discrimination, or ICAO policy.

The age 65 crowd will not compromise, we must not in support of age 60. Senator Inyofe has introduced the same bill Stevens did last year. The bill has no compromise or fairness in an age extension. Do not compromise the age 60 position the opposition is not willing to negotiate.

You have not a clue as to what you are talking about.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I am sure you don't know what your talking about and have very little airline experience regional pilot who must have started flying late in life.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I am sure you don't know what your talking about and have very little airline experience regional pilot who must have started flying late in life.

You state that you know the motivation of everyone that is pro change. It is obvious that you do not. There are intelligent arguments on both sides of this issue. When you go into the ditch with name-calling those who disagree with you, you lose most, if not all credibility on the issue.

 

[warbirdfinder]

Joe Schmo wrote:

Obviously a more expierenced pilot should be compensated better, but maybe collectively both young and old pilots of this country might want work together to force a bill that would set a standard minimum and maximum salary for pilots in conjunction with the age 65 rule.
This would mean that those age 60 pilots would be afforded another 5 years to work, however at a reduced salary. The surplus would then go to bottom so that new airline pilots just starting out would not be compensated less than the indusrty based minimum.

Are you smoking that bad stuff from Nogalas?