Age 60-rule DENIED!!

[FlyDeltasJets]

Just so I can see the great news for myself, where did you find this info? Also, is there a list of how each member voted?


Thanks for passing along the best news I have heard in a while!

 

[DCitrus9]

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

It's amendment 896, and was rejected
Passed was 893, which is good: "To prohibit the Secretary of Transportation from transferring certain air traffic control functions to nongovernmental entities"

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Thanks Citrus.

 

[F/O]

Here's how the senators voted. Note which way most of the Republicans voted. Frickin' Republican pricks..... That said, Dole and Lott both voted no, Dole most likely because she's a former DOT secretary. I'm not sure what Lott's rationale was....amazing.


YEAs ---44

Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Chafee (R-RI)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nickles (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---52

Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Talent (R-MO)
Wyden (D-OR)

 

[mobs]

Age 60

I know most are happy about the age 60 staying,but lets take a look of some of the past. Airlines had a rule that cut off anyone over 30 to be hired,male only ect. those have been corrected and rightly so. The Mid East still has age 35 upper limit on age(with 1500 hr. jet pic) for FO jobs. The EU now has 65 as max age,Australian rule is no upper age as many other countries. Next month I can give a check ride or an IOE to a pilot that has never been in the real aircraft before,but on the 23rd of the month I will be flying part 91,135 or 125 in the same airspace,but not allowed to sit in the pilot seat of a 121 aircraft. I do think that gender,race and yes age should not be a player. Go ahead and flame me. Did I know the rules before I got on? Yes,but several years ago I flew with a pilot that was hired in 1957 and he was looking foward to 65. Mobs

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Mobs,

If age should not be a factor, have you written your senators asking them to rescind the age 23 minimum for ATP's?

I don't mean to be flippant, but the fact is, gender or race cannot be argued to have any bearing on safety. I could not make the same claim about age.

That being said, I do wish you luck in any future endeavors.

 

[skykid]

F/O, thanks for posting the specific votes.

 

[mobs]

FlyDeltaJets, To be honest no I have not contacted anyone about the age 23 ATP,maybe I should have as we have people now and in the past below that age that are flying some large aircraft in our armed forces. I also know some that are over the hill at 35,40,50 and 80. I know that my airline flying is over,but I will still both fly and enjoy what I have always done as long as I can. Yes I have contacted anyone that would hear me for many years to try and extend the age for retirement.I have a dear friend and mentor at 78 is still flying an AT6 every week and also at airshows,if I keep on learning hope to catch up with him. Mobs

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Mobs,

Best of luck to you.

All things considered, it sounds like you had a wonderful career. I can only hope I make it to retirement with my health and my airline intact.

Despite what happened to your pension, I still consider you one of the lucky few.

Not too many guys last long enough to get the washdown. I hope you enjoy it, and any other future endeavors.

 

[SWA/FO]

Wonder how much money SWAPA dumped into this?

 

[mobs]

Thanks for the well wishing,and yes I have had a great time. Not one trip I did not enjoy in some way or another,some more than others,but the worst was still a good trip. Starting with round engines and ending up the last four years on the A330 is a good cruise. I feel sure it is just about to start again,I don't want to run out of hotel soap!! Mobs

 

[b757driver]

FlyDeltasJets

I don't agree with yr rationale on age having a bearing on safety for everyone. This country has has so many freedoms that many others don't enjoy & I would have thought that age discrimination was one of them! If I guy (or gal) can perform the required duties to the set standard, more power to them. It has got nothing to do with age! Have you read the history of this rule? When it came into being and why?
On the subjects of retirement/careers etc., not every pilot has the luxury of staying with one or even two companies for the lifetime of their careers. Some of us HAVE to work because we have no choice, through no fault of our own.
As to the age 23 for ATPs. There is a slight but very relevant difference here. That is if you are under 23, all you have to do is wait until your 23rd birthday and then carry on. Once you reach 60, you are done, you can't turn the clock back. So your argument there is like comparing apples with oranges.
Quite simply, if the person passes the First Class Medical plus the recurrent PCs, let him/her be the one to decide to quit or not. Why let a 80-year-old lawmaker who votes in his own retirement package with no real knowledge of the airline business dictate when and for how much you should retire. Besides, the young ones have time on their hands, the others don't.
And as mobs correctly points out, most countries around the world have ALREADY gone 65 or somewhere between 60-65. I though this country was supposed to be a leader! The only EU country (I might be wrong, but in any case it's ironic when you consider who it is) who has stuck out for the age-60 rule is......la Republique de France.......sacre bleu, mon dieu!!!!

Not trying to flame you here (just the topic of conversation) but I sincerely hope you are able to keep a good flying job for the rest of your career with no adversities and build a retirement worth having. Keep in mind, not everyone is in the same boat as those that have the Midas touch.

 

[General Lee]

B757,

Age has really no part in this---it really has to do with pilots at airlines with crappy retirement or no retirement want to change the rules and affect everyone. Instead of changing the game for everyone, how about fixing your contract? You knew the rules. What else do you want to change now? Would you like it to be legal to marry your sister? I am not trying to be insensitive, but come on....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

FlyDeltasJets

Quite simply, if the person passes the First Class Medical plus the recurrent PCs, let him/her be the one to decide to quit or not. Why let a 80-year-old lawmaker who votes in his own retirement package with no real knowledge of the airline business dictate when and for how much you should retire.


Actually, it is the FAA who dictates when I retire. It is my pilot group and our negotiators who decided how much I get. It is the 80 year old lawmaker who is only now sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed.



And as mobs correctly points out, most countries around the world have ALREADY gone 65 or somewhere between 60-65. I though this country was supposed to be a leader!


We still have the safest aviation system in the world. I believe we are the leader. Repealing a law that has benefitted safety because others have done so first would hardly fit any definition of "leading."



Not trying to flame you here (just the topic of conversation) but I sincerely hope you are able to keep a good flying job for the rest of your career with no adversities and build a retirement worth having. Keep in mind, not everyone is in the same boat as those that have the Midas touch.

Too late!



(I'm furloughed)

 

[AJWick]

b757driver said

As to the age 23 for ATPs. There is a slight but very relevant difference here. That is if you are under 23, all you have to do is wait until your 23rd birthday and then carry on. Once you reach 60, you are done, you can't turn the clock back.

Waiting until you turn 23 could mean you may not get that airline job that requires an ATP. For arguments sake, say you are 21 and airlines are currently hiring (atp req'd), by the time you become 23, they may or may not be hiring and you may lose 2 years of seniority. And like you said, you cant turn the clock back to get the loss in seniority or to get the airlines to hire.

Just my 2 cents.


aj