Age 60 informal poll

[Freight Dog]

Who cares... it still won't pass given the make-up of the new Congress.

Of course the whole DMS is rigged anyway - lots of posts weren't even included.... however we all know the results of ALPA's Wilson Survey, we all know how the MAJORITY of the airline pilots feel about messing with Age 60.

Enjoy your retirement Undaunted... if you want to keep going, time to dust off that resume and shoot it off to NetJets and Flexjet.

Otherwise.... hope you were financially smart with 20-some years in the left seat.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Change is coming very fast.

 

[zonker]

Change is coming very fast.

I guess you didn't believe the Administrator when she said the opposite, huh?

 

[Andy]

ARC comments are 20 to 1 in favor of change

What's that smell?
Ah, it's coming from the rendering plant where this dead horse's carcass resides.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

AGE 60 ARC Comments

Comments age 60 rule change are running 20 to 1 in favor of change. Here are a few of the 5631 submissions to the FAA Aviation Rule Making Committee (ARC).

AARP's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429495_web.pdf

EEOC's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429681_web.pdf

CAMA's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424637_web.pdf
Jet Blue's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/424642_web.pdf

Dr. Claus Curdt-Christiansen: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/425073_web.pdf

A/A and APA pilot's comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/427463_web.pdf


AirTran Captain: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429759_web.pdf

Ameristar Air Cargo: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p88/429817.pdf

Captain's Comments: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429693_web.pdf

Wife pleads for her family: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429572_web.pdf

Captain quotes FAA on age 60: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429693_web.pdf

More Comments: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429786_web.pdf

Medical Doctor: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/423513_web.pdf

Medical Doctor: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/423512_web.pdf

Net Jets Attorney & Instructor: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/422605_web.pdf

Seniors Coalition: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/421953_web.pdf

Herb Keller/SWA: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/421236_web.pdf

5-page personal letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/430058_web.pdf

2-Tour Vietnam Veteran: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/428917_web.pdf

4-page personal letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/428909_web.pdf

APA Member: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429380_web.pdf

42-page scholarly study: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429299_web.pdf

2-page typical representative letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429404_web.pdf

Sad letter from healthy pilot: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429568_web.pdf

Typical captain's letter: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/422694_web.pdf

 

[Andy]

EEOC's Comment: http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429681_web.pdf

I LOVE this sentence:

"These experts have also testified that, to the extent further testing may be desirable, cardiac stress tests, enhanced blood work-ups, and neurological screening could be added to the standard battery of Class I tests for all pilots."

Let's open up that Pandora's box.

Undaunted, I'm glad to see you continuing to push for the change in spite of the fact that any change will not effect you; you will be retired on 29 Jan 07. Maybe you can effect some change in 2025. Just wait until 2021; I'd like to retire at 60.​

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

It's pretty clear this law is changing. It may be in time for me and maybe not. It may change one way or it may change in another way, but it will change.

Andy: While you say you will retire at age 60, that's something you should not promise because that will probably not be your decision at that time. I would expect that you'll be just like everyone else and keep working as long as you feel like it. There will be nothing magic about age 60 so as to make you feel like retiring at that age.

Retire when you're ready, that's the idea here in my efforts to change the rule. Down the road, most everyone will be grateful for this change and the efforts of APAAD.

FYI, I've changed my plans to move my last January flight up 1 day to FLT 1 on January 26th just in case I don't make the cut. You're still invited to the party Andy, as well as other FI members.

 

[exagpilot]

say nay

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

I LOVE this sentence:

"These experts have also testified that, to the extent further testing may be desirable, cardiac stress tests, enhanced blood work-ups, and neurological screening could be added to the standard battery of Class I tests for all pilots."​

FAA Federal Flight Surgeon has stated that there will be no need to increase medical standards as far as ICAO compliance. And there is no need to change standards in any case.​

 

[KCPilot]

I heard a rumor that age 63 was going to be a player now instead of 65. Anyone else hear the same thing?

 

[100 c.i.]

I heard a rumor that age 63 was going to be a player now instead of 65. Anyone else hear the same thing?

I think it should be age 55, I'am calling my senator monday.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

I think it should be age 55, I'am calling my senator monday.

I agree that would really help out the F/O's.

 

[Freight Dog]

Undaunted, the problem with APAAD is that they don't give a rat's ass about younger people. I mean can you seriously tell me that we won't face additional concessions with you old guys still around because all the formulas will have to be recalculated to reflect the new rule?

This is not to mention having to babysit you... so if it comes between captain over 60 and FO over 60 bidding the same trip, who gets it? Obviously both can't fly it. Why should captain's seniority override FO's seniority in an FO's seat?

Just goes to show you.... APAAD is nothing but a bunch of self-serving old geezers who want to get even more on the backs of everyone else.

 

[Cyclone]

aptly named

Undaunted

Look it up...it means "not faltering or hesitating because of fear or discouragement, undismayed."

That's good. Undaunted really is undaunted...but soon will be undaunted driver...no longer undaunted flyer. Thank God for that.

 

[junior]

Nope!