Age 60 informal poll

[UndauntedFlyer]

"A house divided against itself can not stand"

The world's pilot group can not stand half of one mind and half of another. They must become all of one mine or all of the other. The only position that will satisfy all over time is the one world standard. That age is set at age 65.

 

[jetjockey#1]

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Pilots have spoken, and the majority of us, ALPA survey, etc.. don't want it.

Give it a rest. NAY TO CHANGE THE AGE 60 RULE.

 

[pilotyip]

ALPA does represent all the pilots who have stake in the age 65 rules. If ALPA wants an age 60 or age 55, or whatever, put it in your contract.

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

"A house divided against itself can not stand"

The world's pilot group can not stand half of one mind and half of another. They must become all of one mine or all of the other. The only position that will satisfy all over time is the one world standard. That age is set at age 65.

The age has been set for over 40 years here in the US. You are right a house divided against itself can not stand. Age 60 is the rule.

Also remember Undaunted -- there is nothing in our contracts that say anything about seniority rights over the age of 60. Don't think you own that seat.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[Klako]

U.S. SENATE

COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, SCIENE, AND TRANSPORTATION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON AVIATION

Federal Aviation Administration’s Age 60 Rule

Statement for the Committee Hearing Record

Submitted by Airline Division, International Brotherhood of Teamsters

25 Louisiana Avenue NW, Washington, D.C. 20001, 202-624-8741

July 19, 2005





“The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Airline Division, represents 40,000 aviation employees, including over 7,000 air transport pilots (“ATPs”). Our organization supports changing the Age 60 Rule, and urges Congress to pass S. 65 and H.R. 65, legislation introduced by Senator James Inhofe and by Congressman James Gibbons respectively.” *





* Excerpt only - First paragraph of the testimony.

For a complete copy of the testimony contact the Airline Division at (202) 624-8741

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

If this is a safety issue as ALPA and APA say, why is there a vote on this issue. A vote on a safety issue is not the way to decide a safety issue.

Do you vote on whether to takeoff when there is a thunderstorm sitting on the departure end of the runway? Do you pole the passengers and crew as to whether to take off with the weather radar inoperative? Or how about a pole for flying all the rest of the way to your destination if an engine fails on takeoff?

Age 60 is not a safety issue that is for sure. It's pure age discriminaton, and now is's discrimination against Americans.

And now the ecominics of the issue has caught up as U.S. Air ALPA has voted to get rid of the age 60 rule.

 

[Klako]

There is growing support within the pilot unions to change the “Age 60 Rule". The following unions and pilot employee groups have gone on record that they support a change the Age 60 Rule:

US AIRWAYS
IBT Teamsters Airline Division
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PILOTS ASSOCIATION (Independent)
JET BLUE (Independent)
AMERICAN TRANS AIR/ATA (ALPA Master Executive Council)
AMERICA WEST MEC (ALPA Master Executive Council)
SPIRIT (ALPA Master Executive Council)
CONTINENTAL (ALPA Local Executive Councils of Houston and Newark)


The only two organized labor unions that remain officially oppose a change to the “Age 60 Rule”, are ALPA and APA. Even though ALPA's official position is that they are still against it, there are growing sentiments within the rank and file of ALPA for changing the "Age 60 Rule”.

 

[zonker]

I wrote all my senators and congressmen today and urged them to vote against S.65/HR. 65.

 

[sandman2122]

"Growing sentiment" I don't think so. More like: " in ONE person's opinion - klacko - ". That's all it is, one guy's opinion.

You guys can kiss the seniority system good by IF this policy changes......... hopefully not in my lifetime.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

That is one hot sister you got on that picture mister. Nice job.

 

[Phaedrus]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand". Wow, your creative writing is really improving. From cut and paste to the a tired old cliche you've used about 80,000 times in one thread. Yawn.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

There is growing support within the pilot unions to change the “Age 60 Rule". The following unions and pilot employee groups have gone on record that they support a change the Age 60 Rule:

CONTINENTAL (ALPA Local Executive Councils of Houston and Newark)

Not true. Bad info no such resolution has ever passed in Newark. Get your facts straight.

 

[Deadbug]

There is growing support within the pilot unions to change the “Age 60 Rule". The following unions and pilot employee groups have gone on record that they support a change the Age 60 Rule:

US AIRWAYS....

Not correct...the US Airways MEC merely conducted a relatively short-notice and short-duration POLL. With only 64% voting...BY A ONE-VOTE margin--a preference for changing the age-60 rule.

The actual significance is this: If one of the "grayest" part 121 pilot groups can only do a one-vote majority...what does that really say?

By the way, the poll, in and of itself, is not the official MEC policy. Given the one-vote spread, I don't believe the MEC can go on the record as supporting any change.

 

[Tailwheelin]

I am amazed by the dissent on this issue. It seems to me that only reasons to keep age 60 are selfish and seniority based. This 60 number isn't based on scientific data- it was created by the management and for the management to have less numbers of the highest paid employees... it's about as fair a "B" scale. Oh, that's right ALPA supported that too.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand".