Age 60 informal poll

[ivauir]

The only reason why the “Age 60 Rule” is still around today is because of the persistent opposition from ALPA and APA, reflecting the “me now” attitude of their junior pilots. .

Spare us the finger pointing ... the greediest generation ever is making a full court press to make sure that their career is longer and more profitable that any ever before - at the expence of the junior pilots.

Get off of your high horse and offer ALPA a compromise (eg over 60 = FO). In the mean time don't even try to pretend to be motivated by anything other than the greed you are so readily to see in others.

 

[Klako]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Klako
Who is the greedy one here?

You are

It is a disgusting situation when a labor union such as ALPA and APA could dictate to the rest of the United States airline industry when all airline pilots must retire.

If you want to force senior your pilots out of your company, do it in your own house and not force it on the rest of the industry.

· There is growing support within the pilot unions to change the “Age 60 Rule". The following unions and pilot employee groups have gone on record that they support a change the Age 60 Rule:

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PILOTS ASSOCIATION (Independent)
JET BLUE (Independent)
AMERICAN TRANS AIR/ATA (ALPA Master Executive Council)
AMERICA WEST MEC (ALPA Master Executive Council)
SPIRIT (ALPA Master Executive Council)
CONTINENTAL (ALPA Local Executive Councils of Houston and Newark)
US AIRWAYS (ALPA Local Executive Council of Philadelphia)
IBT Teamsters Airline Division

The only two organized labor unions that remain officially oppose a change to the “Age 60 Rule”, are ALPA and APA. Even though ALPA's official position is that they are still against it, there are growing sentiments within the rank and file of ALPA for changing the "Age 60 Rule”.

 

[Saabslime]

Klako,
You shouldn't read so much into what a particular MEC's "official" stance is on anything. In union politics as in politics in general, it's often the vocal minority that dictates what the MEC's stance is.

And quit whining about ALPA and the APA being able to dictate when an airline pilot will retire. All they can do is chime in with their opinion, just like you're doing. The government will ultimately decide what the retirement age will be and if I were a betting man I'd say they'll keep with status quo.

 

[Rik717pilot]

Yea!

Gotta make up the money and retirement values stolen from me and the rest of the TWA pilots by the SNB AA AA$$wholes. Can't afford the wife, kids or the house without the extension.

 

[Klako]

Klako,
ALPA and the APA being able to dictate when an airline pilot will retire. All they can do is chime in with their opinion, just like you're doing. The government will ultimately decide what the retirement age will be and if I were a betting man I'd say they'll keep with status quo.

The age 60 rule has been an on-going curse on the airline industry for over 45 years. The only reason why the “Age 60 Rule” is still around today is because of the persistent opposition from ALPA and APA and their lobbying efforts in Congress.


Senate Bill S.65, which was first, introduced on 24 January 2005, currently has 24 Cosponsors. The Latest Major Action for S.65 was on 30 March 2006 was when it was placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders, Calendar No. 382. There are now 60 Senators who have said they would vote in favor of S.65 and only 50 YES votes are needed for it to pass, VP Chaney would break the tie.A vote is expected before the end of the year. If and when S.65 passes in the Senate it is expected to pass easily and rapidly in the House of Representatives.

 

[Klako]

Spare us the finger pointing ... the greediest generation ever is making a full court press to make sure that their career is longer and more profitable that any ever before - at the expence of the junior pilots.

Get off of your high horse and offer ALPA a compromise (eg over 60 = FO). In the mean time don't even try to pretend to be motivated by anything other than the greed you are so readily to see in others.

So it is OK to force an experienced pilot into poverty (No pension, no medical plan and only a small 401K), just so a younger pilot can move up the seniority list a bit faster.


Why is it that some do not understand what real greed is?

 

[Rik717pilot]

Klako,

You must have been screwed by AA and the APA too... or at least a close relative of the SNB's. We oldsters need to get this thing through congress so we can retire and afford a six pack of beer with our geritol once a week.

 

[Andy]

Klako, your video of Blakely indicates that she is bowing to political pressures to use the word neutral. The Federal Air Surgeon's office is opposed to the change based on decreased safety.
Like it or not, a 61 year old pilot is more at risk than a 51 year old pilot. The previous FAS stated that the J curve occurs at age 55 and rises significantly past 55.

All of this moot anyway; HR 65 has been bottled up in subcommittee since the day after it was introduced in Jan 05. It's good as dead; here's a link:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00065:
(make sure that the colon on the end is added)
This puppy ain't gonna be departing subcommittee during the 109th congress; it's gonna die in committee. If you need an education on the legislative process, use this link:
http://www.school-house-rock.com/Bill.html

You're wasting your energy when you could be working on other job skills that you can use once you turn 60.

 

[Andy]

So it is OK to force an experienced pilot into poverty (No pension, no medical plan and only a small 401K), just so a younger pilot can move up the seniority list a bit faster.


Why is it that some do not understand what real greed is?

IT'S ABOUT SAFETY, OLD MAN.

 

[Klako]

Klako,

You must have been screwed by AA and the APA too... or at least a close relative of the SNB's. We oldsters need to get this thing through congress so we can retire and afford a six pack of beer with our geritol once a week.

The TWA guys really did get the shaft from AMR. Pan Am and TWA were the last of the truly world class airlines, sad to see them go. No, I only flew in the Army and with regional airlines. My company does not have a defined benefit plan, only our individual 401K. I saved enough for my three daughters to finish college, I have no bills, managed to save some and I will have my house paid for. It is the medical insurance premiums that will kill me.

I have sent out at least 100 job applications without success. I can tell you that nobody wants to hire a 60 year old pilot and ex soldier. If I could fly for just another two years, I would be OK, but if the age 60 rule does not pass by 11 Dec 2006, I am toast!

 

[Saabslime]

If I could fly for just another two years, I would be OK, but if the age 60 rule does not pass by 11 Dec 2006, I am toast!

Cry me a river. If you're working at a regional, you could work at just about any job outside aviation for five years and make what you would have made in "just another two years" of flying. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Phaedrus]

So it is OK to force an experienced pilot into poverty (No pension, no medical plan and only a small 401K

Yep. It's a tough lesson to learn, but life ain't fair. If the age is increased legally then I'll have to beeatch for awhile and then move on. You will garner zero support by puling and sobbing about how bad you've had it. And if you aren't trying to garner support you're merely annoying.

 

[GuppyWN]

I have sent out at least 100 job applications without success. I can tell you that nobody wants to hire a 60 year old pilot and ex soldier

Anybody else see the irony in this statement?

Gup

 

[Andy]

The TWA guys really did get the shaft from AMR. Pan Am and TWA were the last of the truly world class airlines, sad to see them go. No, I only flew in the Army and with regional airlines. My company does not have a defined benefit plan, only our individual 401K. I saved enough for my three daughters to finish college, I have no bills, managed to save some and I will have my house paid for. It is the medical insurance premiums that will kill me.

I have sent out at least 100 job applications without success. I can tell you that nobody wants to hire a 60 year old pilot and ex soldier. If I could fly for just another two years, I would be OK, but if the age 60 rule does not pass by 11 Dec 2006, I am toast!

Cry me a f'in river. Pal, you're f'ed. They ain't changing the age 60 rule before your a$$ is toast. You'd better start consolidating your fecal matter and get a plan B formulated.

Klako, you don't give a rat's a$$ about safety; it's all about the dollars for you. You would likely not admit that your eyesight is getting worse, your reflexes are deteriorating, and your cognitive abilities are in decline. I notice the aging process in my body and I'm more than a decade younger than you. If you're too blind to see the changes, then you're not safe at any speed. Retire before you kill a bunch of people.
I'm 45 (almost 46) and furloughed from UAL. I'll likely never see the left seat at UAL (I'm not going to waste my time chasing other pilot jobs; I've seen too many suckers go from one crash'n burn airline to another... I'll stick with this crash'n burn airline). I won't pull down big bux flying airplanes, but I've still got a retirement plan in place. Why the fork didn't you wake up and smell the java a decade ago?
I have two kids; a third is on the way (yeah, I'm a moron). The first is in college ($37K/yr tuition; it ain't no junior college), the second will be in college in 4 years.
In spite of everything, I save money (max 401k, max IRA), pay my bills and pay for college for my kid.
Why?
Because I live within my f'in paycheck. I NEVER worry about bouncing a check because I have a pad in my checking account. I always pay off my credit card bills. I have no car payments because I drive a $hitbox. I wear cheap clothes, have cheap furniture, eat cheap food, and don't go out on the town very much. I live in a $hithole apartment, but it's well within my means. I live a cheap life.

You've publically admitted that you're a dumba$$ because you haven't factored in medical insurance. 100 applications? Any of them to Walmart? I'm pretty sure that they've got medical coverage.

Folks, learn from Klako. Don't be a Klako. Have a plan; have a backup plan; live well within your means; don't count on your company's pension plan. And don't be an Andy and have a bunch of kids. My own fault; I love kids (not in THAT way, you perv!)

Klako, I suggest that you move your dumb a$$ to some banana republic where the cost of living is low and the charge is two chickens for a visit to the doctor. I'm not kidding.

 

[pilotyip]

The beauty of staying the reserves, is at age 60 you get Tri-Care for life. It is a great benefit. The extra money each month is not bad also.