AF, Navy Fighter ?

[instructordude]

Yeah he's the Poster Boy For the Gay Airline Pilots Assn.

No, that would be Scrapdog.:laugh:

 

[frog_flyer]

I'd pay money to meet instructordude in person.

 

[Spidey]

I'm not getting into any of this argument mostly because the only AF guy I've ever met that I really didn't like was an AF O-4 at Sun N Fun who just about got his a$$ beat for being a mouthy sob...flying the mighty 135 no less. BUT, what was stated above, you make it sound like it's not just as easy to take out an airfield as it is to take out a carrier? I can't see the Navy land basing their Hornets, now the Marines.....hey, get the tents ready

...hey kid...yer fly's open...

 

[Occam's Razor]

Was he kind of like the marine SQ/CC who falsified the MV-22 safety records that led to the deaths of over 20 Marines? Sounds like he might have been. What's the difference in saying "Be careful out there and fly the hell out of your planes. Try not to kill some other guys in the process." and being safety oriented? Doesn't sound like there's that much of a difference.

Geez. Are you running for instructordude replacement?

The CO in question (Leberman) pencil-whipped some FMC data on some reports. Had nothing to do with the safety of the aircraft, only how many he claimed were able to fly each day. His transgression led to ZERO deaths of any Marines.

Now...back to whomping on that uber-Troll, instructordude.

 

[popgoesbubble]

No, that would be Scrapdog.:laugh:

Hey Instructor Dude arn't you that kid that filed that Phony Sexual Molestation charge against Micheal Jackson? Is that why you didn't get that F-16 slot in the Guard.

Kid you photo say's it all, your like Bud Bundy from Married with Children. Still trying to make it with a real women but still have to settle for the blow up doll!

 

[jke406]

I'd pay money to meet instructordude in person.

ditto. but I think he'd start bawling like a 1-year-old if any on this forum actually caught up with him. He's trying to get some attention; best thing we can do is completely ignore him, and he'll go to a different board for attention.

Agree that he's doinking blow-up dolls (and sheep) nightly, when he's not casing local high schools and cub scout meetings.

 

[Huggy Bear]

I would rather be an "under-trained" Navy guy actually in the fight than an Air Force guy sitting it out. We were dropping left and right in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq with ne'er an land based tactical jet to be seen.

 

[BiffF15]

I would rather be an "under-trained" Navy guy actually in the fight than an Air Force guy sitting it out. We were dropping left and right in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq with ne'er an land based tactical jet to be seen.

Speaking of under trained why don't you go ask Lt Zaun what shot his A-6 down over Iraq...

 

[ExAF]

Now You've Done It

This is going to get good. I predict this thread will be resurrected with at least another 3 or 4 pages of interservice "bantering."

 

[NewmanF16]

I would rather be an "under-trained" Navy guy actually in the fight than an Air Force guy sitting it out. We were dropping left and right in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq with ne'er an land based tactical jet to be seen.

Wow, do they teach Navy guys how to read the ATO? You might want to check your facts, you look like an idiot.

 

[Mud Eagle]

I would rather be an "under-trained" Navy guy actually in the fight than an Air Force guy sitting it out. We were dropping left and right in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq with ne'er an land based tactical jet to be seen.

That's because we had different vul times, bro. Try checking the ATO.

 

[Huggy Bear]

I was in afghanistan for the first three weeks and there was nothing from the AF except the heavy bombers and your tankers (thank you very much). Oh, there was one night where 2 Strike Eagles made a big show by flying all the way from the gulf to drop in afghanistan. They sucked up every tanker in the region to do so.

I should have been more specific about Iraq. I was only in the North. Turkey said no way to the Air Force but yes to the Navy. We maintained a 24 hour presence in the north and Air Force tacair did not play. I'm sure you guys did some good work in the south.

 

[NewmanF16]

AF reserve F-16s flew nearly everyday from the gulf to Afghanistan. I believe hogs flew from other undisclosed locations.

 

[coho92]

lets loose the details but navy guy you're wrong and lets not forget that long before you were "there" solo doing your thing, I'm sure there were plenty of SOF types running around doing their thing. Oh yeah, according to the press the C-17s were doing the humro thing from night one as well. With that outlook about your self I definately see you as the iceman airline pilot wandering around looking for a volleyball game. no offense

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Memphis bar b que is the best!

 

[Huggy Bear]

I'm not sure if by "navy guy" you are referring to me. If you are, when did I ever say anything about being solo. There was plenty of air force there, just not tacair. Lots of tankers, B-52s and AC-130's (I learned of them later). Not a viper or eagle to be seen. Well one, the guy on exchange to my squadron.

Keep in mind I was in afghanistan for only 3 weeks. Maybe more air force assets came later. But from what I hear, the dropping stopped a few weeks after we left.

"Iceman" lol. Me. No matter, we are cut from the same cloth. Every US military pilot, given the opportunity, will rise to the occasion. I certainly didn't do any more than anyone else here would have done. I was simply fortunate to be in the right place at the right time.

I simply offer my experiences as a counterpoint to the constant air force mantra of "we are tactically better than the navy because of all their boat stuff". What use is all the training when if you never make it to the game.

Maybe our floating airbases have some use afterall.

 

[Spidey]

I would rather be an "under-trained" Navy guy actually in the fight than an Air Force guy sitting it out. We were dropping left and right in the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq with ne'er an land based tactical jet to be seen.

...well, blue four, thanks for bein there...even if ya missed your targets...

 

[BiffF15]

I'm not sure if by "navy guy" you are referring to me. If you are, when did I ever say anything about being solo. There was plenty of air force there, just not tacair. Lots of tankers, B-52s and AC-130's (I learned of them later). Not a viper or eagle to be seen. Well one, the guy on exchange to my squadron.

Keep in mind I was in afghanistan for only 3 weeks. Maybe more air force assets came later. But from what I hear, the dropping stopped a few weeks after we left.

"Iceman" lol. Me. No matter, we are cut from the same cloth. Every US military pilot, given the opportunity, will rise to the occasion. I certainly didn't do any more than anyone else here would have done. I was simply fortunate to be in the right place at the right time.

I simply offer my experiences as a counterpoint to the constant air force mantra of "we are tactically better than the navy because of all their boat stuff". What use is all the training when if you never make it to the game.

Maybe our floating airbases have some use afterall.

Huggy Bear,
Your self flagellation is truely appreciated by all the non-military visitors.
Let me help you out with a couple of things however.
First, was it three whole weeks or just part of three in theater? Remind me what type of air threat the Afghan Air Force is? I only have 15+ months "over there" observing all branches plus some of our "friends". Plus, if that was your big day in the show don't be so quick to judge what you haven't seen.
Second, how many large force exercises or events (more than just your squadron) have you participated in (I will define large as more than 30 fighters and not tanker fighters) all on the same side (not including adversaries).
Third, I have trained with every squadron that has passed through or been stationed at Beaufort over the last 11 years and without fail everyone that came back from the boat was way not ready to do anything other than kill non-moving targets. I have deployed to Key West / Sloppy Joe's more times than I can remember, fought every version of the mighty Tomcat and Hornet. I have fought some great dudes and without fail those that were spinning up for, were on, or have just left the boat were not proficient and it showed.
Don't let a bruised ego over ride logic.

 

[coho92]

Huggy - bro you have one heck of an ego but hey I expect that of a "hornet driver" (attribute to a classmate o' mine) I hope that you're an 0-3 (any higher and I'll assume you have absolutly ZERO joint time) and have no idea how DOD really works, also just wondering if you're a ring knocker 'cause you have the air of being a bit of a tool. On the bright side yes the navy did it all! As always AF was just a support role role providing the fuel and a couple of big guys with firepower equal to your entire CBG. with the 73 type you rushing swa, if so good luck.

 

[Huggy Bear]

"I simply offer my experiences as a counterpoint to the constant air force mantra of "we are tactically better than the navy because of all their boat stuff". What use is all the training when if you never make it to the game."

"I have deployed to Key West / Sloppy Joe's more times than I can remember, fought every version of the mighty Tomcat and Hornet. I have fought some great dudes and without fail those that were spinning up for, were on, or have just left the boat wereI have fought some great dudes and without fail those that were spinning up for, were on, or have just left the boat were not proficient and it showed. and it showed."

Exactly my point. I'm talking about who was there at the start of the invasion. You're talking about training and staff tours. In afghanistan 3/4 of the ordnance was dropped by air force big wing bombers. The remaining 1/4 was dropped by navy tacair.

"Huggy - bro you have one heck of an ego but hey I expect that of a "hornet driver" (attribute to a classmate o' mine) I hope that you're an 0-3 (any higher and I'll assume you have absolutly ZERO joint time) and have no idea how DOD really works, also just wondering if you're a ring knocker 'cause you have the air of being a bit of a tool. On the bright side yes the navy did it all! As always AF was just a support role role providing the fuel and a couple of big guys with firepower equal to your entire CBG. with the 73 type you rushing swa, if so good luck."

A typical flight info class act you are. Attack the poster instead of his ideas.