AF, Navy Fighter ?

[psysicx]

Wow, this in pretty interesting. I know that there are not a lot of people who have flown in both services. But with the those two rules it there really any difference on what you do when your in the air?

 

[BiffF15]

Now that there are high fives all around, back to the original question....

I don't think the difference is in the training rules. The training rules are there for a reason and they are written in blood. I've done some work with the AF and the training rules have all been basically the same and are there for safety of flight.

I think the answer to what psyscx is asking about is that nebulous sort of mentality difference in which the services operate.

There are tradeoffs to almost anything. The AF does get more training bang for their buck because they don't have to train for the boat. However, by spending the money and time to train for the boat the Navy offers the CIC a force that has a moving runway that doesn't need basing rights or overfly rights from other countries. Sometimes that gets us to a fight first.

Anyway, the difference gap is narrowing as we operate in an increasingly joint world.

Rhino,
I was actually speaking to comments made by you and Newman (thread drift) that was basically how people form opinions and how things are viewed from one jet to another, or from one department of the DOD to another. Yes, the TR's are the same with some extras depending.
I'm not sure how long you got to fly the F18 but over time your views will change as well (about who busts TR's, who is good at what, how to handle the current Red Flag problem dujour, etc.)...
Yes having a large ship with planes on it is a good thing to have in the arsenal however realize over time that will change (due to technology). There are more cost effective ways to deliver ordinance on the horizon than a carrier. However, the ability to put a large warship off someone's coast might keep it around longer than expected.
Biff

 

[Occam's Razor]

Both branches have the same bell curve. The good ones are superb in both. The average ones are average in both. The awful ones are all in the Air Force.

(That was a joke...cease buzzer!)

Both have their strong aspects. Both have their annoying features too.

 

[Scrapdog]

Both have their annoying features too.

Like having Occam telling you at a bar for 30 minutes about the trials and tribulations of landing on the bo-at...yet when you ask him about the best tactic for a 4 v X DCA he can only respond with "uhhh...I'm not really sure about actual tactical execution...but did I tell you about this one time when I was landing on the bo-at and I couldn't wait to get to my hot bunk, yada, yada...." And rinse/repeat multiple times. :smash:

 

[Bjammin]

I was in a joint squadron with a B-52 guy, an A-10 demo pilot (later to be a Thunderbird), an F-15 guy, 2 EF-111 guys, and a B-1B chic.

All great people and all said they LOVED the way the Navy did business.

Being deployed to Turkey and Saudi with the AF and doing about 15 Red Flags I'm under the informed opinion that the AF does some things very well, as well.

To be specific: Flying fun, freedom, and rules I think the Navy does better. More trust in the decisions of the Aviatior in the jet and not so much reliance on the SOF or other guys on the ground. More flexable with changes when airborne.

Housing, Moral and Welfare department, treatment of it's people (especially enlisted), deployment times, and overall spitshine goes to the Air Force, but the Navy is getting better.

Each service has it's unique traditions, but I think the Air Force does a better job enforcing them.

For me the Navy worked out Awesome! Wouldn't change my experiences at the boat for nothin'.

Than's my opinion after 20+ years of service.

 

[rhinodriver]

Yes having a large ship with planes on it is a good thing to have in the arsenal however realize over time that will change (due to technology). There are more cost effective ways to deliver ordinance on the horizon than a carrier. However, the ability to put a large warship off someone's coast might keep it around longer than expected.
Biff

Sure.... but you can say that about anything. That's a pretty far out timeline too. The Navy has CVN-77 coming and wants 300 or so JSF (small amount compaired to the AF's over 2000) to complement almost 500 Super Hornets. Figuring the shelf life of a carrier to be over 40 years (Kitty Hawk is 46 years old) I'd say we'll be around for a while.

 

[ExAF]

Few Words

Air Force = Airplanes
Navy = Boats


You decide!

 

[rhinodriver]

Few words cause you're retarded!

Air Force = Airplanes
Navy = Boats


You decide!

Air Force = Sattelites, Ballistic missles & Ascots

Decision Made!

 

[Huggyu2]

I was in a joint squadron with a B-52 guy, an A-10 demo pilot.

No way! Are you talking about Duster Parent and Ken Edwards?

 

[Mud Eagle]

I always find it interesting that the guys who have the highest opinions of their own airplane and the lowest opinions of other airplanes are the ones who have NEVER flown any other airplane.

The guys who have Navy or AF prejudices, as well, probably haven't flown with/for the other service.

Every dude I know who HAS flown multiple fighters or done an exchange with another service (or another country's service) has lost their "my jet is the sh*t" prejudice and see things with a much larger picture.

 

[Huggyu2]

...and seen things with a much larger picture.

Impossible: "the big picture" began to go away after the Korean War. It's long gone. Plus, I think some AFI did away with "the big picture" a while back.

Did I mention that my jet is the shizzle?

 

[Bjammin]

No way! Are you talking about Duster Parent and Ken Edwards?

"Fast Eddie"!!! Of Course, great guy.

The B-52 guy was "Moose" Smith, but I knew Parent as well. Different squadron.

 

[ExAF]

Air Force = Sattelites, Ballistic missles & Ascots

Decision Made!

Pretty big words from a pseudo/faux-rhino driver. There's only 1 real Rhino....Phantoms Phorever! No ascot required (that's old SAC).

Oh Yeah....You are retahhhhhted!

 

[Skinner]

Air Force = Airplanes
Navy = Boats


You decide!

What, no posts from MARINES?

Because they are too busy wherever they may be - doing it all, doing it better and having more fun that anyone else.

 

[Scrapdog]

What, no posts from MARINES?

No, because they haven't quite learned how to type or express their feelings yet. You actually learn more words than "hoooah" after you pin on 0-6.