ABX furloughs

[ABXbooger]

Hvydriver, first off thanks for the support. At ABX, we have allowed the company the leisure of junior manning weeks in advance by way of a letter in your at work mailbox. They cannot charge you a sick day if you call in sick because it is already a day off.

Bottom line is that if a guy doesn't want to fly he can get out of it. Problem is, too many people look at it as HUGE MONEY and can't bring themselves to do it.

I suggest we return the favor and project weeks in advance when we will not be coming to work. Don't know how they can look at a schedule 3 weeks from now and know that between now and then nobody will pick up that trip etc.

 

[J3CubDriver]

It makes me sick and laugh at the same time to hear how OPF ban doesn't work. Remember 1997. Remember guys many of us have flown for other airlines and OPF bans do work. Sacrafice a little in the short term for future gains. I can't help that some of you need 5-10 days OPF to break even. Who's fault is that! You may have to sell that corvette, but how about the furloughed hostage that can't make his house payment. It's time to be a team and work as a team.

 

[ke4lir]

It makes me sick and laugh at the same time to hear how OPF ban doesn't work. Remember 1997. Remember guys many of us have flown for other airlines and OPF bans do work. Sacrafice a little in the short term for future gains. I can't help that some of you need 5-10 days OPF to break even. Who's fault is that! You may have to sell that corvette, but how about the furloughed hostage that can't make his house payment. It's time to be a team and work as a team.

Thanks J3CubDriver, the house just went on the market. Wish you all the best!

 

[DC-9er]

I was actually more ticked at the jab at senior pilots. So they're to blame for the ANA schedule?

ANd it always jerks me when, until this morning, the first DC9 guys to b!tch about the open flying were ALWAYS the ones too junior to get ANY. Yes, I mean you, B.W. and you, R.W. Now they're the ones who'll get the JM calls.

 

[ABXbooger]

no, I'm not saying they are to blame for the ANA stuff, but the people who seem to be trying to derail not only the 23 days stuff but the whole ANA deal are so senior that there would be almost no conceivable way they would have to do it. That is why I think they want to do it, just on their own agenda.

I have never bid one day of OPF, or sold any vacation, it's been a moral issue for me since I spent 2.5 years on furlough. We still have guys on furlough from 2000.

 

[AV8OR]

WOW, JM weeks in advance? That's incredible. Apparently poor planning on their part DOES constitute an emergency on your part.

We at AStar of course will fully support any legal job action.

 

[Sporto]

I was actually more ticked at the jab at senior pilots. So they're to blame for the ANA schedule?

ANd it always jerks me when, until this morning, the first DC9 guys to b!tch about the open flying were ALWAYS the ones too junior to get ANY. Yes, I mean you, B.W. and you, R.W. Now they're the ones who'll get the JM calls.

That's the spirit 9er! Now if only we can get 600 other guys and gals to commit we might have a real impact. Never the less, My family and I thank you.

 

[Box-Hauler]

I was actually more ticked at the jab at senior pilots. So they're to blame for the ANA schedule?

ANd it always jerks me when, until this morning, the first DC9 guys to b!tch about the open flying were ALWAYS the ones too junior to get ANY. Yes, I mean you, B.W. and you, R.W. Now they're the ones who'll get the JM calls.

Wow,
And this is why we have no unity. I know I could hold open time, I choose to live below my income level. I choose family and friends over whoreing myself out for 4.5. Is it too much to ask for 1 or 2 months of no opf and vacation buy back.

I guess you will be sending all your opf money to the guys on the streets to pay for their toys.......you know food, shelter, health insurance. The really cools stuff..........

I learned in kindergarden right and wrong. Maybe you should audit the class.

P.S. I have always bitched about the opf flyig from this group of pilots, whether I was senior or junior.

 

[GoABX]

Just to be clear, we are in status quo and we will conduct no job action.

Several members are realizing that it is morally unacceptable to do the work of another man, when pilots are being forced out work because the company claims there is not enough work to keep them on the payroll. This is a personal decision.

Additionally, constantly changing one's circadian rhythm makes this job extremely challenging. So when your schedule unexpectantly changes due to being forced to fly when you were expecting to be off; it makes sleep planning and management impossible. Eventually exhaustion and fatigue set in. Hopefully no one pushes safety in fear of management reprisals. When a pilot judges himself to be too fatigued to safely perform his duties, it is a personal decision. The company can't tell him he is rested and the union can't tell him he is tired. Both would be wrong. It is a personal decision.

When I heard the bad news I thought here we go again. But I have been surprised by a larger number of senior overtimers who have pledged to stop doing things that facilitate the layoff of fellow workers.

For those on the fence, it is never too late to do the right thing.

I think one of the reasons this time might be different is that many pilots feel the company violated a trust. Given the high frequency of junior manning and the company's reliance on people flying open time; there is no arguing that the airline is not under-staffed. There has been a lot of going the extra mile over the past 4 years so ABX could save money and look good for DHL. The pilots were also pretty open minded on creative ways to make ANA work. Now, in the 11th hour of negotiations and ANA kicking off we get a punch in the stomach. A lot of goodwill was killed in one day.

 

[two(2)%]

When I heard the bad news I thought here we go again. But I have been surprised by a larger number of senior overtimers who have pledged to stop doing things that facilitate the layoff of fellow workers.

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Let's just see where our friends The Penquin and Erich Hartmann stand on this issue shall we? Please stop rationalizing furloughs as a rite of passage just because it happened to you in the past. As long as the nifty fifty entitlement sentiment exists, our young gazelles get slaughtered.

Somehow at least 95% of the membership must adhere to this concept. The problem is that some in our group may observe others who wouldn't normally obtain overtime basking in their windfall and the whole self-imposed ban goes to scratch.