ABX furloughs

[HeavyjetDC8]

But after you've cut the grass and fed the cat it might be a good idea to dust off the resume and assume the position.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

DHL buys 49% of Astar. So what? DHL used to own 100% of what was then known as DHL "Airways" and it wasn't that great a place to work...B-list money, crappy, outdated, and/or obsolete equipment, lethargic management, and much of "our" work subcontracted to ACMI carriers.

The money's better now, but not much else has changed. The equipment is a little better too, but the management is a lot worse. The only good news is that now, a S/O can make 100K/yr. The bad news is that that's as far as he'll get for 6 or 7 years...about the same amount of time it takes to go from "New Hire" to "Captain" (at 2 1/2 times the money) at UPS or FedEX.

The announcement of DHL's purchase raises more questions than it provides answers. Some people are looking at it and saying "Yippee! DHL came to our rescue!" I'm looking at it and wondering "Why did Dasburg and his investors want out?"

 

[flyinboxes]

DHL buys 49% of Astar. So what? DHL used to own 100% of what was then known as DHL "Airways" and it wasn't that great a place to work...B-list money, crappy, outdated, and/or obsolete equipment, lethargic management, and much of "our" work subcontracted to ACMI carriers.

The money's better now, but not much else has changed. The equipment is a little better too, but the management is a lot worse. The only good news is that now, a S/O can make 100K/yr. The bad news is that that's as far as he'll get for 6 or 7 years...about the same amount of time it takes to go from "New Hire" to "Captain" (at 2 1/2 times the money) at UPS or FedEX.

The announcement of DHL's purchase raises more questions than it provides answers. Some people are looking at it and saying "Yippee! DHL came to our rescue!" I'm looking at it and wondering "Why did Dasburg and his investors want out?"

More pearls of wisdom. Dasburg and his investors are from out. I think your UPS and FedEx rates are a little off also. Your "answers" will come in due time.

 

[AV8OR]

The announcement of DHL's purchase raises more questions than it provides answers. Some people are looking at it and saying "Yippee! DHL came to our rescue!" I'm looking at it and wondering "Why did Dasburg and his investors want out?"

Yeah, it does. The real question it raises is why someone apparently so pleased he's no longer here at Astar spends so much time waxing eloquent about how much it suck$ to be us. I've worked for a variety of truly awful places myself, but the difference is I don't sit around on the internet years later trying to make myself feel better about my decision to leave. I moved on. Apparently Whistlin' has not. That's really kinda sad.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I think your UPS and FedEx rates are a little off also.

By golly, I do believe you're right! The latest pay and upgrade info over on that "other" website shows that it's MORE than 7 years to F/O at Astar, more like 8. And it's AVERAGES about 6 1/2 to Captain at FedEx and UPS.

So, a pilot who's spent the last 7 years at Astar will make around 82K this year. A pilot who's spent the last 7 years at UPS will make "only" 191K this year. Clearly, 191 is NOT "2 1/2 times as much" as 82K. It's only about 2 1/3 as much. Thank you for calling that to my attention!

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

(Of course, the UPS pilot probably spent the last 2 or 3 years in the right seat of something, where he made an additional 100-150K more than the Astar pilot. The UPS guy is also flying crew-eating International WB vs. local, narrow-body sit-n-waits, but I don't want to get into all that...)

 

[Johnlp3]

:bomb:

 

[shooter]

More pearls of wisdom. Dasburg and his investors are from out. I think your UPS and FedEx rates are a little off also. Your "answers" will come in due time.

you should really:
1. get a life
2. quit posting
or 3. quit with the cryptic grade school "I know a secret, I know a secret" B.S.

Maybe you can just enlighten all of us with the "answers" oh mighty one or go play with your management "team".

 

[erwaz]

Does anyone like tunafish?

 

[Cargoav8or]

Does anyone like tunafish?

Yes and chicken too.

 

[penguin22]

Yeah, it does. The real question it raises is why someone apparently so pleased he's no longer here at Astar spends so much time waxing eloquent about how much it suck$ to be us. I've worked for a variety of truly awful places myself, but the difference is I don't sit around on the internet years later trying to make myself feel better about my decision to leave. I moved on. Apparently Whistlin' has not. That's really kinda sad.

So where did the Whistlin' Whacko move on to?

Does anyone like tunafish?

I'm sure Doomsday Dan is enjoying his crow.

 

[AV8OR]

He is trying to be very cryptic. If you go back back and read his posts, he makes statements that lead one to believe that he's "very close" to folks at AStar, but not there, etc. He speaks as though he's the consumate inside/outside guy. Bottom line though, whether ABX or AStar, all roads lead to doom because our wagons are hitched to DHL, who hates us all, and who only makes stupid business decisions.

I agree, they have stepped on their wanker more times than Carters has little liver pills, but sometimes, hopefully, after hit yourself in the head with a hammer enough, you realize that the problem isn't the hammer, or the blood running down your skull, but the fact that you need to quit hitting your head with a hammer. Has DHL realized this yet? Hopefully, at least a little, but Dan seems to continue to somehow relish the thought of DHL's continued failure.....I guess because it makes him "right" about them, AStar, and ABX. I cannot think of any other reason for always predicting failure for all three entities. Bottom line, whomever he is, wherever he works, he apparently thinks he and his insights are phenominally more enlighted than the rest of us, without bringing one shred of new data to the table, it's all speculation, superior speculation. As hard as it is, I'm done with him. Maybe I'm learning a little something about putting down hammers myself, it seems.

 

[flyinboxes]

you should really:
1. get a life
2. quit posting
or 3. quit with the cryptic grade school "I know a secret, I know a secret" B.S.

Maybe you can just enlighten all of us with the "answers" oh mighty one or go play with your management "team".

1. I have a nice one. Thanks
2. No
3. You would be the last I would "enlighten".

You don't have to get all "jacked up", its only a discussion.

Good Day

 

[shooter]

1. I have a nice one. Thanks
2. No
3. You would be the last I would "enlighten".

You don't have to get all "jacked up", its only a discussion.

Good Day

no, it's only a discussion if you contribute to it. You just seem to post things that must make you feel like you are superior or have some insider knowledge. If you truly did have some insider knowledge you would either share with your peers or you are upper level management which would require you do not disclose what you may know until the time the company releases it. Not play school yard games by dropping hints that you have insider information.

Or is it that you require some self need to try and be accepted with all people clambering at your feet for your wealth of knowledge? S#$t or get off the pot.

 

[AV8OR]

"...or you are upper level management....."

Oh yeah, he's way up there! Definitely management material;^>

 

[rotor&wing]

He is trying to be very cryptic. If you go back back and read his posts, he makes statements that lead one to believe that he's "very close" to folks at AStar, but not there, etc. He speaks as though he's the consumate inside/outside guy. Bottom line though, whether ABX or AStar, all roads lead to doom because our wagons are hitched to DHL, who hates us all, and who only makes stupid business decisions.

I agree, they have stepped on their wanker more times than Carters has little liver pills, but sometimes, hopefully, after hit yourself in the head with a hammer enough, you realize that the problem isn't the hammer, or the blood running down your skull, but the fact that you need to quit hitting your head with a hammer. Has DHL realized this yet? Hopefully, at least a little, but Dan seems to continue to somehow relish the thought of DHL's continued failure.....I guess because it makes him "right" about them, AStar, and ABX. I cannot think of any other reason for always predicting failure for all three entities. Bottom line, whomever he is, wherever he works, he apparently thinks he and his insights are phenominally more enlighted than the rest of us, without bringing one shred of new data to the table, it's all speculation, superior speculation. As hard as it is, I'm done with him. Maybe I'm learning a little something about putting down hammers myself, it seems.

it's not hard to figure out who 'ol dan is. and yes, he's bitter. but dan, you did it to yourself, no one else is to blame.

have a nice day.