Hagar17
Deliverin' the Goods.....
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since seniority is important to you.
so would you support a recall that included the eagle flowthroughs that have numbers higher than some furloughees?
whatever
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since seniority is important to you.
so would you support a recall that included the eagle flowthroughs that have numbers higher than some furloughees?
Zipper,
What I meant was, (for the umpteenth time!) as far as pilot recalls go, APA does not differentiate between pilot groups. I say this because in one of the posts by PKober, it sounded like he was concerned that the recalls wouldn't go according to plan because "the APA doesn't give a sh$$t about TWA pilots."
As far as your point above, I have no doubt that AA mgt had a hand in it.
Finally, regarding screwing every pilot group they take over - I guess you could say that SWA screwed the Transtar/Muse Air pilots in 'the 80s (tacked on to the bottom but then completely dismantled), and the Morris boys in the 90s (tacked on to the bottom PLUS one year probation!) Were they screwed too? How did Reno pilots get screwed? They went from a tiny operation to a major carrier, in a lot of cases making more as AA F/Os than as Reno captains! Do you think they should have gotten DOH?
My point is that if the newly merged airline prospers, the employees are happy. (SWA/Morris) If the newly merged airline lays off, the employees got screwed, which is what happened to us. Our integration was designed to benefit both groups in the event that AA grew. Indeed, most of you would have remained captains at a much better pay rate than at TWA. Unfortunately, the events of 9/11 and beyond took care of that, so you got the royal shaft. And so did a lot of us. And so, it is easy to blame APA and AA when in fact, you would have been singing the AA praises had we prospered. Growth, upgrades, your own fence in STL , NY and LAX, etc, etc.
100c.i. - I am fully aware TWA/OZ got DOH. Do you know why? Simply because the TWA MEC knew that TWA hadn't hired since 1979 - while OZ kept hiring into the 80s - and a DOH integration pretty much put 80% of the OZ boys at the bottom of your list. ALPA merger policy was not followed, and the TWA MEC (the more powerful of the two) called the shots. Then, Carl Icahn furloughed a bunch of them out of seniority, right after the merger. That's why OZ pilots feel they got screwed. Which proves my point - in any merger/acquisition, the more powerful MEC/union calls the shots before binding arbitration settles in. (if there even is any binding arbitration.)
whatever
i guess seniority isn't important then.......
pick up any OT with 3000 on the street?
so an Eagle CA with a flowthrough number representing higher seniority than a nAAtive flowback will be recalled before them?
An Eagle flowthru that has never been employed by AA, regardless of a phantom seniority number, is not entitles to "recall" to AA. It's contractural. I think you know that.
I love posts like this. AE guys trash AA/APA pilots, then complain why they can't get there faster. Very entertaining.
so a seniority number is a "phantom" seniority number. they didn't have to interview, they didn't need to apply.
no trashing, just asking if seniority is being followed.
picking up OT, which a lot of people do, while 3000 is on the street is trashing every single furloughed AA/APA pilots.
i guess seniority isn't important then.......
pick up any OT with 3000 on the street?