AAI/SWA solution

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

It wouldn't have changed my time away from home one bit.

Whatever your happy number is (150k,200k,250k) you'd have made it with fewer days away from home working under the AIP than under your current contract.

You'd have either seen more money and close to the same time away, or the same money with more time at home.

 

[Ty Webb]

You dont get it.

At the bottom of the list, we would be double-commuting to a reserve line. No flexibility.

 

[Cruncher]

Cruncher, spare me the education about how money works. I'm pretty certain that Mrs Webb and I made more last year that Mr. and Mrs. Cruncher. :laugh:

Dropping trips while on reserve is a rarity, according to your reserve pilots. I can re-post dozens of posts where SWA pilots are complaining about not being able to drop trips on reserve . . . how no one wants their scraps, except during the leanest months, etc.

Classy. U dont have many friends do u? U seem to be a forum junkie. Glad 2 here mr n mr Webb r doing so well. Oh almost forgot :laugh:

 

[zippy32]

I, too, get tired of hearing about the money. Money doesn't buy time at home. When you're on reserve for a decade, the money doesn't give you your life back.

Ty,

Why did you ever upgrade to Captain? Was it for a better schedule and quality of life?

 

[rudder]

If GK truly 'LUVS' his pilots, he will find a way out of this transaction. But the reality is that he and his Board already determined that this merger was in the best interest of the corporation.

He will say all the right things, and even bring a little candy to the meetings, but he will NOT cancel this transaction.

 

[Beechdriver32]

Your example doesn't apply to our situation. I'm already getting good schedules, decent pay, and an easy commute.

If I lose 4 years seniority, I will be a reserve pilot with a two-leg commute. That's not more days off, and it's not much more money.

Why do you think most of us with decent seniority have stayed here?

Oh, I know, because with my degree, 20 year perfect work history and 4,000 hrs 737 PIC time, I just wasn't "competitive".

Ok- time to call a spade a spade.

Ty- you talk of your great schedule and all the money you make and what a great senority you have and the easy commute you have.

When is the last time you actually flew a jet?

Some of us know exactually who you are, and know of your situation. And I really feel for you. But the Bravado? Really. Getting tougher to feel bad for you.

Weren't you planning on quitting just a little while ago?

Be honest with yourself. And let the fellow AT guys who don't do the 'flying gig' as a part time job have a say in their future.

Bd32

 

[easydoesit]

You guys aren't even talking about my original post. Nevermind. This board is a waste of time.

 

[Dash Power]

The pay disparity is just too big for anything that will likely come out of arbitration. SL 9 recognized this fundamental fact but it was not well received by the AAI MEC.

When the arbitrated SLI is awarded, as I expect is a disappointment to the SWA pilots, I am in favor of negotiating two contracts within our ranks. One for the trannies, and one for the RSW's. At times you will have RSW FO's makeing more than the trannie captain but that largely is the path they have decided for themselves and it allows the company to position itself better for the future.

I can understand why the trannie pilots may not understand this way of thinking. I probably wouldn't if I were in their shoes. As well as I know they don't understand my way of thinking because they are not in my shoes.

I am tired of the entitlements that exist in this country. And the sense of entitlement that I hear on this board is no different.

 

[redflyer65]

You heard it here first...

Gary will offer the Trannies...4 Biillliion Dollars!

 

[Dash Power]

You guys aren't even talking about my original post. Nevermind. This board is a waste of time.

We kind of are. And your thread is not only a good point, but can produce good ideas.

In my opinion you have done good.

 

[GuppyWN]

How would a SWA guy feel if us AAI guys get relative seniority but we keep our payscale and benefits? You guys keep throwing around how much money we will make but what if this was the case. We get to keep our seniority and there is no huge windfall that you all keep talking about.

I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, just wanted to get some feedback. Seems like SWA guys only talk about how much money we will make and we talk about our seniority.

So how bout we keep our seniority and we don't get a pay raise?

Keep it nice!

Problem is your airline is reducing it's schedule. How do we handle the reduction in block hours from your side? How do we handle WN's growing presence in ATL?

The biggest problem of all is Gary wants the synergies that he paid for when he bought you. You have to SAVE him money, not just not cost him money.

Gup

 

[Just thinking]

"You're tired of hearing the money argument? SL9 would have paid you more money for less work (time). Commuting or not, if you're happy with the money you're making now, you would have been home more days per month/year/career.".................

SL9 did not provide that for the AT folks. We were stuck for up to 30 months AFTER SOC with our same contract. NO 6 tfp each day. Reserve would only pay a 75-78 hour guarantee. Commute in for a 5 day stretch and get used for two resulting in 8 hours towards guarantee. Time away from home with no compensation. No improvement in work rules. Flipping of circadium rythms.... bid ams and then get switched to a CDO. Loss of retirement for 3 months. Pay did not become effective until 1 April. Promise of reserve for 10+ years. These are just some of the glaring issues with SL9.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ok- time to call a spade a spade.

Ty- you talk of your great schedule and all the money you make and what a great senority you have and the easy commute you have.

When is the last time you actually flew a jet?

What difference does it make? I see the line awards each month, I know what my line would look like. Do I suddenly not get an opinion?

Why don't you address the point I was making- that the QoL of most AAI pilots would be greatly reduced under the terms of the AIP. That is why the MEC voted not to send it out. Hopefully, they can come up with something that is mutually acceptable, but if not, on to Mediation, and, if necessary, Arbitration.

 

[GoodTimes]

If it wasn't perfect for your side, I sincerely think it was the best deal that SWA was prepared to offer. It was far from perfect for our side, as well.

Some pain on the front side buys you a lucrative and secure career with the most successful airline in the history of the business.

Oh well. Back to square uno amigos.

 

[Capn Butthead]

With all due respect Ty....answer the question. Why did you upgrade then? If it's all about quality of life why didn't you stay an fo? That's where I have my doubts about this...it's about qol...bs! We all want the money! ALL of us! I want my $300,000 a year to play golf, buy a damn good sports car and live like a college kid drinking beer with my 21 year old girlfriend! but I guess my 9 years here isn't good enough for that...let's give it to someone with 6 years seniority....I say again it's not about qol it's about money...that's why I'm willing to commute from mco to oak to upgrade. Y'all have a good night. I'm going back to my beer wearing my red sox hat in new york...goodnight!