AAI/SWA solution

[Cruncher]

Ty,

Money doesn't buy time at home.

When you make more per unit of time away from home (both in productivity and rate), you are then able to spend more time at home. So your choice is, spend the same amount of time away from home now, and receive a nice 30 - 40% pay bump. Or you can, spend A LOT more time at home, and be able to maintain the same lifestyle you currently enjoy.

It's funny, the posts never change. Same thing over and over again. The SWA pilots go to work to earn a living, pay their bills, send their kids to college, buy shoes to keep mama happy.

The ATN pilots go to work to exercise seniority.

Got it.

 

[Freight Dog]

When someone is using pay scales and money to justify anything in this business, I'll point to UAL/Delta/USAirways pay scales on September 10, 2001 and then point them to pay scales on August 31, 2011, and invite them to enjoy annual pay snapshots every year since then.

No dog in this fight though...

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,



When you make more per unit of time away from home (both in productivity and rate), you are then able to spend more time at home. .

Cruncher, spare me the education about how money works. I'm pretty certain that Mrs Webb and I made more last year that Mr. and Mrs. Cruncher. :laugh:

Dropping trips while on reserve is a rarity, according to your reserve pilots. I can re-post dozens of posts where SWA pilots are complaining about not being able to drop trips on reserve . . . how no one wants their scraps, except during the leanest months, etc.

 

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

I've got to disagree with your "money doesn't buy time at home" comment. Hypothetically, if you're working 20 days to make 100k at one job, then start working 15 days to make the same 100k, seems to me you just bought yourself 5 days at home. That's provided you're happy with the 100k.

Time is money and we, being paid by the hour/trip, should know that better than most. We spend our days trading one for the other.

You're tired of hearing the money argument? SL9 would have paid you more money for less work (time). Commuting or not, if you're happy with the money you're making now, you would have been home more days per month/year/career.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

I've got to disagree with your "money doesn't buy time at home" comment. Hypothetically, if you're working 20 days to make 100k at one job, then start working 15 days to make the same 100k, seems to me you just bought yourself 5 days at home. That's provided you're happy with the 100k.

Your example doesn't apply to our situation. I'm already getting good schedules, decent pay, and an easy commute.

If I lose 4 years seniority, I will be a reserve pilot with a two-leg commute. That's not more days off, and it's not much more money.

Why do you think most of us with decent seniority have stayed here?

Oh, I know, because with my degree, 20 year perfect work history and 4,000 hrs 737 PIC time, I just wasn't "competitive".

 

[scoreboardII]

When someone is using pay scales and money to justify anything in this business, I'll point to UAL/Delta/USAirways pay scales on September 10, 2001 and then point them to pay scales on August 31, 2011, and invite them to enjoy annual pay snapshots every year since then.

No dog in this fight though...

and I'll point you to the SWA payscale both pre and post 911, no change, except SWA now pays even more. Your argument is baseless, we are not talking UAL or DAL, we are talking SWA, the airline which pays it's bills net 30, not net bankruptcy.

 

[Sacha]

PURE BS. Seniority is forever.


I'm reducing you in rank to Pvt. Lee for that remark.

Hang on, pvt. Lee is in the process of switching over to On Your Six.

 

[Dude]

Ty,

You have an Aviation Management degree? Well then, now we're getting somewhere. That right there will get you the brass ring! Since I don't have one, you can have my seniority. After all, I hardly deserve it.

It's all fun and games until someone with an aviation degree shows up.

 

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

I hear you. Unfortunately, "your situation" no longer exists. I respect your position, but still contend that, for a given amount of income, you'll have had more time at home under SL9.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

I hear you. Unfortunately, "your situation" no longer exists. I respect your position, but still contend that, for a given amount of income, you'll have had more time at home under SL9.

SL9 applied to your Pilot Group, and would have given you more time at home.

The LOA to our Contract, which applied to us, would have achieved the opposite effect.


TW

 

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

It wouldn't have changed my time away from home one bit.

Whatever your happy number is (150k,200k,250k) you'd have made it with fewer days away from home working under the AIP than under your current contract.

You'd have either seen more money and close to the same time away, or the same money with more time at home.

 

[Ty Webb]

You dont get it.

At the bottom of the list, we would be double-commuting to a reserve line. No flexibility.

 

[Cruncher]

Cruncher, spare me the education about how money works. I'm pretty certain that Mrs Webb and I made more last year that Mr. and Mrs. Cruncher. :laugh:

Dropping trips while on reserve is a rarity, according to your reserve pilots. I can re-post dozens of posts where SWA pilots are complaining about not being able to drop trips on reserve . . . how no one wants their scraps, except during the leanest months, etc.

Classy. U dont have many friends do u? U seem to be a forum junkie. Glad 2 here mr n mr Webb r doing so well. Oh almost forgot :laugh:

 

[zippy32]

I, too, get tired of hearing about the money. Money doesn't buy time at home. When you're on reserve for a decade, the money doesn't give you your life back.

Ty,

Why did you ever upgrade to Captain? Was it for a better schedule and quality of life?

 

[rudder]

If GK truly 'LUVS' his pilots, he will find a way out of this transaction. But the reality is that he and his Board already determined that this merger was in the best interest of the corporation.

He will say all the right things, and even bring a little candy to the meetings, but he will NOT cancel this transaction.

 

[Beechdriver32]

Your example doesn't apply to our situation. I'm already getting good schedules, decent pay, and an easy commute.

If I lose 4 years seniority, I will be a reserve pilot with a two-leg commute. That's not more days off, and it's not much more money.

Why do you think most of us with decent seniority have stayed here?

Oh, I know, because with my degree, 20 year perfect work history and 4,000 hrs 737 PIC time, I just wasn't "competitive".

Ok- time to call a spade a spade.

Ty- you talk of your great schedule and all the money you make and what a great senority you have and the easy commute you have.

When is the last time you actually flew a jet?

Some of us know exactually who you are, and know of your situation. And I really feel for you. But the Bravado? Really. Getting tougher to feel bad for you.

Weren't you planning on quitting just a little while ago?

Be honest with yourself. And let the fellow AT guys who don't do the 'flying gig' as a part time job have a say in their future.

Bd32

 

[easydoesit]

You guys aren't even talking about my original post. Nevermind. This board is a waste of time.

 

[Dash Power]

The pay disparity is just too big for anything that will likely come out of arbitration. SL 9 recognized this fundamental fact but it was not well received by the AAI MEC.

When the arbitrated SLI is awarded, as I expect is a disappointment to the SWA pilots, I am in favor of negotiating two contracts within our ranks. One for the trannies, and one for the RSW's. At times you will have RSW FO's makeing more than the trannie captain but that largely is the path they have decided for themselves and it allows the company to position itself better for the future.

I can understand why the trannie pilots may not understand this way of thinking. I probably wouldn't if I were in their shoes. As well as I know they don't understand my way of thinking because they are not in my shoes.

I am tired of the entitlements that exist in this country. And the sense of entitlement that I hear on this board is no different.

 

[redflyer65]

You heard it here first...

Gary will offer the Trannies...4 Biillliion Dollars!

 

[Dash Power]

You guys aren't even talking about my original post. Nevermind. This board is a waste of time.

We kind of are. And your thread is not only a good point, but can produce good ideas.

In my opinion you have done good.