AAI Pilots Expectations for January 2015

[Ty Webb]

You failed to answer the question I posed. Again, what were the "minimum requirements"?

Does it really matter? How would it affect you/change your life?

 

[Ty Webb]

They still don't get it. Here at AAI we use a different metric. While the entire world goes to work for money we go for workouts, days in Mexico, good commutes, and the feel good status of quality rankings.

So enjoy your shorter trips, excessive compensation, and complex base structure. We will basque in the glory our MEC provided. I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!

Clearly, what seat you are in, and where you live make a huge difference. For junior FO's, especially those that live near a SWA base, transitioning represents a good deal. For Line-holding Captains, not so much, especially ATL folks. If you look at the most recent transition award, it went so junior, that they practically had to junior-assign ATL717 Captains to transition to SWA FO.

As for assigning the blame; blame the MEC if you wish, but they were following the process. It's not their fault that the rules got changed in the middle of the game and the pilots broke ranks. If you really want to assign blame, there's more than enough to go around . . . . on all sides. If I started throwing poo at everyone who should be blamed, by the time I got done, it would look like the food fight in Animal House. Everyone would have some on them, including myself.

Regards,
Ty

 

[General Lee]

They still don't get it. Here at AAI we use a different metric. While the entire world goes to work for money we go for workouts, days in Mexico, good commutes, and the feel good status of quality rankings.

So enjoy your shorter trips, excessive compensation, and complex base structure. We will basque in the glory our MEC provided. I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!

Hey look a SWA 737 with a 2nd year FO. That fool is making double our bottom 400... I wonder how many workouts he can get in on his trip!

Yeah I bet he doesn't even fly to PUJ! Look, no SE taxi! What a money drain.

I'll happily work for half pay so they can taxi on double the engines!

Me too! Because every overnight is a sunny beach spot!

PUJ or LBB, who cares? You still will be a CORNDOG making BANK, having fun flying across Texas or across the Country in one of those 737-300s. Remember, YOU WILL BE MAKING BANK....... (TIC)

Good luck to you guys.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

You failed to answer the question I posed. Again, what were the "minimum requirements"?

I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since pilot arbitrated seniority list results all fall within a very narrow range, arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.

 

[scoreboardII]

Batna

 

[Ty Webb]

I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since all of arbitrated lists all fall within a very narrow range arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.

I don't disagree.

 

[Quiet Flight]

I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since all of arbitrated lists all fall within a very narrow range arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.

Thanks Ghetto.

 

[FlyinGuy]

If I started throwing poo at everyone

Please don't do that. Thanks.


If you did, what type of hand sanitizer do you use?

 

[Ty Webb]

If I started throwing poo at everyone

If you did, what type of hand sanitizer do you use?

Something with a nice, Citrus scent.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Excellent!!!

 

[SWA Bubba]

PUJ or LBB, who cares? You still will be a CORNDOG making BANK, having fun flying across Texas or across the Country in one of those 737-300s. Remember, YOU WILL BE MAKING BANK....... (TIC)

Good luck to you guys.


Bye Bye---General Lee

This was a little sub-par for the General. I can't tell--is he making fun of just Southwest, or Airtran and pay comparison as well? You seem to be slipping a little bit. You can't mix your insults, Gen'l; you'll only confuse us mere domestic mortals.

Bubba

 

[Remington]

Didn't AT get bought? Pretty lucky they even got to vote, right?
Why did their MEC Chair let all those Capt seats go?

 

[fletch717]

Didn't AT get bought? Pretty lucky they even got to vote, right?
Why did their MEC Chair let all those Capt seats go?

Dude, go some place else and start a fight.

 

[Just thinking]

Really lucky for all the Airtran folks..........
ICT folks being told to bid their choice customer service or ramp...... couple of months later after the bid..... guess what? No more ramp. Contracting it out. Your choice is this crappy payout (did not include ginsu knive set) Transfer to another base. Go back to customer service but you lost all your seniority.
Working hard to screw the mechanics in ATL. Maintenance write ups being deferred to other stations and minimal work is done in ATL... guess what is coming next? Hey guys, not much work being done in ATL we are going to a night only shift..... payout, move to other base or night shift only. (Oh by the way you can truly see the degradation in the quality of aircraft up keep. Husbandry has fallen off the wagon.)
Down size ATL to the point where personnel are dumped by the roadside with some crappy payout again.
Thanks for the great performance Airtran.... you were in the top three for on time performance once again. (That is in spite of late pushes in southwest stations) Beatings will continue until morale improves. Don't worry though... we have dealt with much worse from much better folks and still been successful. LUV

 

[bluesideup1]

I'll answer for him. A deal good enough that it didn't justify the risk of arbitration for them. Since pilot arbitrated seniority list results all fall within a very narrow range, arbitration was very low risk for them. I would think given the cards they thought they had that their would be no reason for them to accept anything less than DOH and a big fence around their bases and Capt seats.
What they didn't count on was GKs next move.

Funny when I look at all the awards from the arbitrated seniority list for some of the other work groups that went to arbitration NONE of them got DOH coming from airtran. Most of them got close to what you signed off on. It seems your expectations were just to high and reality is something you trannies just can't handle.

 

[Ty Webb]

Funny when I look at all the awards from the arbitrated seniority list for some of the other work groups that went to arbitration NONE of them got DOH coming from airtran. Most of them got close to what you signed off on.

The Pilots went first, by design. What followed is not very surprising.

It seems your expectations were just to high and reality is something you trannies just can't handle.

Something tells me that you're the one having a hard time handling reality... :laugh:

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

I think I speak for all junior FOs when I say we were really unscathed... And by unscathed I of course mean 7 years of reserve, fixed income, reduced pay until 2015, a 20 year upgrade... Yep ALPA really looked out for us!

Hey look a SWA 737 with a 2nd year FO. That fool is making double our bottom 400... I wonder how many workouts he can get in on his trip!

And just what the hell did you expect? That is what upgrade time as a junior SWA FO is! The same for junior ORIGINAL SWA pilots who WERE ACTUALLY HIRED at SWA! I can't believe the audacity of some of you guys.

 

[General Lee]

This was a little sub-par for the General. I can't tell--is he making fun of just Southwest, or Airtran and pay comparison as well? You seem to be slipping a little bit. You can't mix your insults, Gen'l; you'll only confuse us mere domestic mortals.

Bubba

It was more of a SWA slam, but at the same time a reminder that CASH will increase for them, even though PUJ layovers will fall to LBB. Good and bad I guess. Hey, I've tried to tone it down a bit for you guys, alright....?? I've redirected my "opinions" to the Easties at USAir, so you guys are clear, for now.....be nice!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dornier 335]

It was more of a SWA slam, but at the same time a reminder that CASH will increase for them, even though PUJ layovers will fall to LBB. Good and bad I guess. Hey, I've tried to tone it down a bit for you guys, alright....?? I've redirected my "opinions" to the Easties at USAir, so you guys are clear, for now.....be nice!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Playing the moralist now, how cute....! What about anal probes at your airline some time ago? We're all waiting for your excuse. How's life under the desk?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Funny when I look at all the awards from the arbitrated seniority list for some of the other work groups that went to arbitration NONE of them got DOH coming from airtran. Most of them got close to what you signed off on. It seems your expectations were just to high and reality is something you trannies just can't handle.

First off Blue I'm RSW. Second your point about the other work groups is accurate BUT arbitrated pilot ISLs have been historically not been done like other work groups. In all cases except one involving a bankrupt carrier with no assests the list has fallen in a range between DOH and relative seniority with fences regardless of the circumstances of either carrier. There were several RP articles showing historical arbitration results. I'm sure that is what their expectations were based on and why the AAI MEC rejected the first agreement. There was no evidence to suggest that they wouldn't do better in arbitration. That being said the narrow range of cookie cutter results regardless of circumstance point to real real flaw in the way pilot ISLs are arbitrated. The results appear to be more about benefiting the company by limiting training costs and seat movement than "fair and equitable" from a pilot perspective. That makes sense in the lawyer world because the company normally pays the cost of the arbitration and becomes the defacto client the arbitrator wants to keep happy.