AA/USAir non SLI?

[slaquer5]

I have not followed this fight for years. I now find it interesting, as I think the outcome will set a precedent for other airlines to follow.

An example would be, what if DAL bought SWA. It goes to arbitration, the DAL pilots do not like the results, so they pull a USAPA.

Any airline could have been used, SWA buying someone smaller ect.....

If USAPA pulls this off, I think it will be the wave of the future for all mergers.

 

[sean67]

I have not followed this fight for years. I now find it interesting, as I think the outcome will set a precedent for other airlines to follow.

An example would be, what if DAL bought SWA. It goes to arbitration, the DAL pilots do not like the results, so they pull a USAPA.

Any airline could have been used, SWA buying someone smaller ect.....

If USAPA pulls this off, I think it will be the wave of the future for all mergers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but SWA has a rap sheet of placing it's merged airlines at the bottom??

 

[Bringupthebird]

It's gonna be a re do. Keep dreaming. Funny how' all the uncomfortable questions now are if PHX will survive. Goes to prove that AW's
demise was just behind US.LAS dead...PHX ... The next PIT.. Dead. I really get sick of the "white knight" crap from the west pilots.

It will be another arbitrated award, I agree, but far from a re-do. As soon as USAPA slaps down two lists, they have defied an arbitrators ruling and the courts can and will step in to preserve both the rights of the west pilots and the integrity of the arbitration process.

My best guess is that USAPA at the last minute will say "Yep, it's the NIC, sorry guys we helped who we could, tough luck."

You aren't connecting the dots. LAS closed as a result of the US merger and the lack of a need for a night bank of flights to position aircraft to the east coast for AM departures. US's demise would have helped AW, not hurt it. No one likes to admit that Parker's comments on the likelihood of AW going into bankruptcy never took into account the rising tide of losing a weak competitor (US east).

 

[sean67]

A re-do? Can you do that on a divorce settlement also? How about at Judge Judy? Can you take your money back if you lose it all at poker at a casino? You Easties just don't seem to understand, and it will cost you.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Hey dork... Get a life and get a girlfriend. You've posted more on OUR subject matter than anyone else. Wow, I really thought DAL had good hiring standards. You have obviously snuck a quick one on them.

 

[Crzipilot]

Arbitrated ruling....which was part of an internal union process. Of which such union no longer exists on property. So that internal process is not longer required.

It's WAS not a federally mandaged arbitration such as MB or any other...

 

[Bringupthebird]

Arbitrated ruling....which was part of an internal union process. Of which such union no longer exists on property. So that internal process is not longer required.

It's WAS not a federally mandaged arbitration such as MB or any other...

Sorry, the union was only the representitive of the parties and the parties are still very much here (for better or worse). Those parties will be held responsible for the award, regardless of their representitive.

Furthermore, arbitration is widely used to reconcile disputes between private parties and the courts will not allow precedent that jeopardizes such a widely used and legally enforced practice.

 

[sean67]

Sorry, the union was only the representitive of the parties and the parties are still very much here (for better or worse). Those parties will be held responsible for the award, regardless of their representitive.

Furthermore, arbitration is widely used to reconcile disputes between private parties and the courts will not allow precedent that jeopardizes such a widely used and legally enforced practice.

Bird
I'm guessing that you are one of the post 2000 w no college degree hires at Msa Grande that wants the windfall...do you really think APA wants a 2003 hire senior to an 88 hire??? Roll over and give GL a kiss, maybe that will heal you

 

[slaquer5]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but SWA has a rap sheet of placing it's merged airlines at the bottom??

Correct me if I am wrong. None where decided by a Judge or an arbitrator .

I might be wrong, so feel to correct me.

Sidebar. What is APAs stance on all of this?As I think they will be the ones driving this .

 

[Turtle21]

Can we get a cut and paste link to these Scott Kirby quotes?

Not possible since the video is posted on an internal company website. But suffice it to say that Kirby simply said "No." in response to a long winded West pilot plea to agree that the company will use the Nic at the POR approval.

All folks need to realize is that the pilots have signed, sealed, and delivered a new seniority integration agreement, a New American seniority integration plan, a new SLI policy that replaces the old ones, effective at the POR. It is exactly what Crandall said needed to occur for him to support a merger.

Listen carefully.. start at 2:10... he says seniority integration agreement, and seniority integration plan... but never once says "list".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJUyYskVYI

He has it, contingent on the POR approval.

 

[Carl S.]

Sean67...are you a angry 99-01 hire or a third lister drinking the kool aid of out of order upgrades delay game? Thanks for trying to paint all AWA pilots as Beech 1900 F/O's that hit the USAirways lottery when we tied up with your POS airline. STFU about your military duty...lots of us have served and do not brag about it on this web board...Wait till the APA pilots treats you like a red headed step child...karma is a b*tch...

P.S.- if you believe Kirby ..he is playing you, read the company's court filings for what is under oath and not water cooler scuttlebutt...

 

[sean67]

Correct me if I am wrong. None where decided by a Judge or an arbitrator .

I might be wrong, so feel to correct me.

Sidebar. What is APAs stance on all of this?As I think they will be the ones driving this .

Morris and Air Tran... Was it a fair integration??

 

[Turtle21]

Sean67...are you a angry 99-01 hire or a third lister drinking the kool aid of out of order upgrades delay game? Thanks for trying to paint all AWA pilots as Beech 1900 F/O's that hit the USAirways lottery when we tied up with your POS airline. STFU about your military duty...lots of us have served and do not brag about it on this web board...Wait till the APA pilots treats you like a red headed step child...karma is a b*tch...

P.S.- if you believe Kirby ..he is playing you, read the company's court filings for what is under oath and not water cooler scuttlebutt...

The APA pilots are the only real pilots in this merger. What's the big deal? We all know that already.

 

[slaquer5]

Morris and Air Tran... Was it a fair integration??

First off, I guess it depends on who you ask. The Morris pilots are now in the top 15 % of the list . Both groups did better Muse Air or ATA.


Second I thought this thread was about USair / AA. Why are you bring up SWA. Make a new thread if you want the answers your looking for about SWA.

 

[sean67]

First off, I guess it depends on who you ask. The Morris pilots are now in the top 15 % of the list . Both groups did better Muse Air or ATA.


Second I thought this thread was about USair / AA. Why are you bring up SWA. Make a new thread if you want the answers your looking for about SWA.

You decided to post on this subject...you open yourself up when you do that.I really don't care what happens to you guys and your lists.

 

[sean67]

Sean67...are you a angry 99-01 hire or a third lister drinking the kool aid of out of order upgrades delay game? Thanks for trying to paint all AWA pilots as Beech 1900 F/O's that hit the USAirways lottery when we tied up with your POS airline. STFU about your military duty...lots of us have served and do not brag about it on this web board...Wait till the APA pilots treats you like a red headed step child...karma is a b*tch...

P.S.- if you believe Kirby ..he is playing you, read the company's court filings for what is under oath and not water cooler scuttlebutt...

Not angry at all. Funny how you west guys call us the angry FO club. I challenge you to go to the historic posts on this subject matter...clearly the west are very angry...and have alot of time on their hands posting endlessly here. I hear GL calling... he wants you to come back to bed.

 

[OHGOON]

Not angry at all. Funny how you west guys call us the angry FO club. I challenge you to go to the historic posts on this subject matter...clearly the west are very angry...and have alot of time on their hands posting endlessly here. I hear GL calling... he wants you to come back to bed.

Well, you do come across as pretty wound up. You are right that the West boys are angry. Seems to me, from a very outsider perspective who however has followed this poo-flinging contest very closely, that the West was and is a victim of mob rule. You would be angry too, if you were not the beneficiary of the outcome so far.

 

[MCDU]

Not being able to cash in on a windfall is making Mesa grande pilots very angry. I give east pilots all the credit in fighting an award that placed a new hire in front of someone that has 17 years. The Nic is dead. Count on it. The Alpa integration failed.

M

 

[Turtle21]

Well, you do come across as pretty wound up. You are right that the West boys are angry. Seems to me, from a very outsider perspective who however has followed this poo-flinging contest very closely, that the West was and is a victim of mob rule. You would be angry too, if you were not the beneficiary of the outcome so far.

The Nic was a wonderful win contingent on everyone voting to use it. That never happened. No one has any problem with them being mad about it, we all understand greed. Whats the big deal?

 

[OHGOON]

The Nic was a wonderful win contingent on everyone voting to use it. That never happened. No one has any problem with them being mad about it, we all understand greed. Whats the big deal?

Of course that applies to your position just as much or how else do you justify ignoring an integration arbitration decision that was signed by both sides?

 

[OHGOON]

Not being able to cash in on a windfall is making Mesa grande pilots very angry. I give east pilots all the credit in fighting an award that placed a new hire in front of someone that has 17 years. The Nic is dead. Count on it. The Alpa integration failed.

M

...but it came at a price... Except for the very senior pilots who would have lost a lot, most of you guys have not had a raise in 6+ yrs...how is that a win in anybody's book?

Not to mention the implications for the arbitration process as a whole...