AA/USAir non SLI?

[Turtle21]

No, I think Bird discredited that, saying the "No" remark was for using the NIC after the next SLI. ....

There are only two problems... you are relying on Bird... and Bird wasn't accurate... And besides that no one has countered the fact that the only contract that had Nic in it is GONE and replaced at the POR... Oh, and besides that you are a poser.

 

[Bringupthebird]

No, Scott said that at the POR Effective date there would be no east or west pilots. This will occur prior to the SLI negotiations and it (MOU to MTA) triggers what is necessary for implementation of the Nic award. USAPA in it's literature defines the MTA as a contract. If USAPA decides to play the DOH hand, AOL will quickly have a judge impose an injuction which will stall the process indefinitely. This will please the west who will begin to assume their rightfully awarded bid positions with every vacancy bid. APA will happily go on their way filing the cards for a representation election (maybe USAPA will loan them their nifty little coffin for delivering the cards to the NMB). The only ones left out in the cold will be the east pilots who will go into a McKee spoinsored frenzy of "I told you so's" when they discovered they have flushed away the only remaining support to their separate ops firewall.

Kleenex anyone?

 

[Bringupthebird]

The only legal contract acknowledging the Nic and its applicability is in a contract that will cease to exist, as agreed to by all parties to the new MOU, upon the POR approval. The West asked Kirby to agree that the Nic is effective at the POR, which would of course remove any doubt that the Nic would be merged with the APA list. The West pilot asked a long winded question pleading for Kirby to agree that the Nic will become effective immediately upon the POR but Kirby made it clear nothing was further from the truth. "No." His body language said even more. It was ridiculous to even ask him or attempt to get him to add any credibility to such a notion.

That's not what the west Captain asked. Look it up.

Kirby does not decide when and how the Nic will be used. That ship has already sailed.

 

[Crzipilot]

All kinda pointless as your lawyer jumped the gun again. Shoulda reread what the 9th said about coming back for the DFR. Nothing has happened.....has it? Can you bid CLT or I PHX? nope. Think the 9th pretty much said, go through the motions, when the dust settles and everything is done, THEN you can tell if you have a DFR or not. 9th basically stated, we can't work on assumptions or even bargaining positions....

 

[General Lee]

There are only two problems... you are relying on Bird... and Bird wasn't accurate... And besides that no one has countered the fact that the only contract that had Nic in it is GONE and replaced at the POR... Oh, and besides that you are a poser.

You are forgetting the part about the last judge saying "disregarding the NIC award places USAPA on Dangerous Ground." You will lose. Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

All kinda pointless as your lawyer jumped the gun again. Shoulda reread what the 9th said about coming back for the DFR. Nothing has happened.....has it? Can you bid CLT or I PHX? nope. Think the 9th pretty much said, go through the motions, when the dust settles and everything is done, THEN you can tell if you have a DFR or not. 9th basically stated, we can't work on assumptions or even bargaining positions....

Hey, we all know the Easties disregarded a BINDING award. Eventually the West will win, we ALL know it. But, your new other half, the APA, don't want anything to do with your ridiculous fight, so they may push for a resolution prior to any new SLI. (They pretty much stated that in an earlier thread I created). So, you can waste time and wait, or settle with the award and move forward. Regardless, I can't wait to watch, especially third lister reaction.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[sean67]

No, Scott said that at the POR Effective date there would be no east or west pilots. This will occur prior to the SLI negotiations and it (MOU to MTA) triggers what is necessary for implementation of the Nic award. USAPA in it's literature defines the MTA as a contract. If USAPA decides to play the DOH hand, AOL will quickly have a judge impose an injuction which will stall the process indefinitely. This will please the west who will begin to assume their rightfully awarded bid positions with every vacancy bid. APA will happily go on their way filing the cards for a representation election (maybe USAPA will loan them their nifty little coffin for delivering the cards to the NMB). The only ones left out in the cold will be the east pilots who will go into a McKee spoinsored frenzy of "I told you so's" when they discovered they have flushed away the only remaining support to their separate ops firewall.

Kleenex anyone?

It's gonna be a re do. Keep dreaming. Funny how' all the uncomfortable questions now are if PHX will survive. Goes to prove that AW's
demise was just behind US.LAS dead...PHX ... The next PIT.. Dead. I really get sick of the "white knight" crap from the west pilots.I also fly for the reserves and I'm thankful that I have not delt with the bs over the last 7 years..a time better well spent serving my country.. I'm looking forward to being a part of the new American and moving on.

 

[Turtle21]

No, Scott said that at the POR Effective date there would be no east or west pilots. This will occur prior to the SLI negotiations and it (MOU to MTA) triggers what is necessary for implementation of the Nic award. USAPA in it's literature defines the MTA as a contract. If USAPA decides to play the DOH hand, AOL will quickly have a judge impose an injuction which will stall the process indefinitely. This will please the west who will begin to assume their rightfully awarded bid positions with every vacancy bid. APA will happily go on their way filing the cards for a representation election (maybe USAPA will loan them their nifty little coffin for delivering the cards to the NMB). The only ones left out in the cold will be the east pilots who will go into a McKee spoinsored frenzy of "I told you so's" when they discovered they have flushed away the only remaining support to their separate ops firewall.

Kleenex anyone?

I'm starting to think you are a poser too. Kirby didn't say any of that.

 

[waveflyer]

Can we get a cut and paste link to these Scott Kirby quotes?

 

[General Lee]

It's gonna be a re do. Keep dreaming. Funny how' all the uncomfortable questions now are if PHX will survive. Goes to prove that AW's
demise was just behind US.LAS dead...PHX ... The next PIT.. Dead. I really get sick of the "white knight" crap from the west pilots.I also fly for the reserves and I'm thankful that I have not delt with the bs over the last 7 years..a time better well spent serving my country.. I'm looking forward to being a part of the new American and moving on.

A re-do? Can you do that on a divorce settlement also? How about at Judge Judy? Can you take your money back if you lose it all at poker at a casino? You Easties just don't seem to understand, and it will cost you.


Bye Bye---General Lee