AA Recalls

[Vastly Underemp]

Draginass, perhaps you should remove the "dragin" from your moniker.

The TWA pilots did not accept the "s**t sandwich" that was handed to us.
The purchase price was recouped within 1 year by the sale of Worldspan and the acquisition of slots at LGA and DCA. Many on Wall St said the price was a steal.

It's amazing how brave and inaccurate some get when they can hide behind a keyboard

 

[aa73]

So what I am getting from the responses here is this:
Acting in a moral fashion with accountability for ones actions only applies if you are in the vast majority and you are assured of the desired outcome. Speaking out against an injustice is only appropriate if it is viewed favorably by the mob you happen to be a part of. Interesting.

I don't subscribe to that. If it's right it's right. It doesn't matter if your the only one standing on the tracks or are joined by other like minded individuals.
Will it change any outcomes? Irrelevant. It probably wouldn't as the vast majority did not have the character necessary to do right. However, speaking up even if it changed nothing would be enough, you would have done right, and you would still have your dignity.

Your statement is correct in every sense, and I am proud to say that I've maintained my dignity several times over by speaking my mind with other AA pilots over the outcome of this merger. Almost every time, I am accused of being a TWA supporter, and yet I still maintain my opinion that all integrations should go to arbitration when there is disagreement. This relieves both pilot groups of said accountability.

 

[AAflyer]

well said AA73...


AAflyer

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Why won't you guys just move on? Being a former TWA guy myself, I am not happy about the way things turned out, but I have chosen to move on. There is nothing that can be done about the integration now and the only recourse remaining is the lawsuit against ALPA. Now, back to the original topic of recalls. With the recent announcement of 27 additional aircraft being parked and the likelyhood of PBS becoming a reality, I think it is pretty safe to say that recalls are probably at least two years away. If Eagle starts taking delivery of new aircraft all bets are off and we may never see recalls at AA. I hope I am wrong, but things do not bode well right now for those that are furloughed.

 

[aa73]

Herkdriver,

"Never" is a loooong time. Believe me, AA will have to recall eventually.

The 27 extra jets they are parking starting this month is - precisely - because we don't have the pilot/f/a manning to staff the usual summer expansion. Had they gone ahead with the expansion, they would have recalled by now.

All my sources tell me that they- WILL - plan on a summer expansion next year (2007.) In that case we would have to see recalls for that - even with work rule enhancements/PBS. The figure I consistently hear is to the tune of 600 pilots.

If you wanna spread some bad news, hear this - they just voted in a new DFW chairman who is a total pro company dude. That does not bode well for upcoming Sec 6 negotiations.

 

[pylut]

Herk-
I agree, moving on from aa is certainly advisable. Sounds like you have, and I know I have. Life was tough in the short term, but the furlough turned into a blessing pretty quick. It allowed me to undertake a new business venture which has improved my quality of life and income by a factor of 5 (pre paycuts).

That beings said, I don't confuse moving on with accountability. Moussaoui is on trial today, should the USA just "move on" by setting him free, or should we see that justice is done.
Even though aa holds no allure for me and I can't at this time picture myself as part of that company, I think it would be a diservice to all my good friends at TWA who are still struggling to simply let the aa pilot group off the hook.

AA73- good discussion. Sounds like you might not march in step with the general sentiment at aa. From what I've seen of that lot, that's a healthy practice.

 

[aa73]

I agree, it's a good discussion.

I also think that persuing "justice" against the AA pilot group, however, is a little short sighted. And the comparison with Moussaoui is a little extreme, I think - he will be found guilty of helping plot the murder of thousands of people. I know that your point is, let justice be served... and in his case, it must. But in this case, I believe that if the TWA pilots want to seek justice, it should be towards the group of "leaders" that set it up, and not towards the individual pilots who had no say in it. In much the same way that the TWA rank and file had no say in how the OZ integration went down. It is all conducted at the union leadership level - and that is who should bear the brunt of "accountability."

 

[Flyby1206]

When does the TWA F/A callback expire? Is it possible there are no pilot recalls because in order for them to expand they would need more FAs? Not wanting to bring back the TWA FAs and having to pay top of payscale to them sounds like the AMR way to do things.

 

[aa73]

2008. They got the biggest shaft job of all.

Not sure if there is a correlation between pilot recalls and F/A recalls. I do know that AA cannot expand because of short staffing. However I believe we will see pilot recalls well before F/A recalls.

 

[TomBodet]

I heard parking the jets mostly because of the mil guys taking leave. The leave(while keeping sen) for these guys is easier than sticking around and sitting res in Q gardens and places like that. Rumor is less mil pilots hired by all carriers in the future. Gone too often and usually require more training to fly in this enviroment. That is what the management is saying. Don't go guns on the messenger.

 

[80drvr]

I heard parking the jets mostly because of the mil guys taking leave. The leave(while keeping sen) for these guys is easier than sticking around and sitting res in Q gardens and places like that. Rumor is less mil pilots hired by all carriers in the future. Gone too often and usually require more training to fly in this enviroment. That is what the management is saying. Don't go guns on the messenger.

Where did this come from?

If it is true, maybe it should be a shot across AMR's bow that their pay, benefits and quality of life are not competitive, and those with an option are voting with their feet. Of course, AMR is would be making the situation worse by parking jets and refusing to recall.

This month's seniority list showed 21 unplanned resignations...they can't blame that on MIL Leave.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Guys, it has been almost 5 years since the integration was signed and put into place. Get over it! The people who post here (both AA and TWA) absolutely had nothing to do with it!

Bitching and complaining about the whole AA/TWA mess is not going to change anything and is only going to make you more and more bitter.

Personally getting furloughed from American Airlines was the best thing that ever happened to me. I didn't think so 2 years ago but I do know it now.

 

[mrvmo]

Hey Dangerdick,

What was best for you is of no care to anybody here. You were able to milk a few extra years out of AA because of the buyout which left you furloughed when the job market had picked up considerably.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Hey Dangerdick,

What was best for you is of no care to anybody here. You were able to milk a few extra years out of AA because of the buyout which left you furloughed when the job market had picked up considerably.

See what I mean folks. Mrvmo has let the whole AA/TWA integration turn him into a miserable, bitter, unhappy person.

FYI MrVmo I have a great job now and will never go back to AA. If your future includes going back to AA then great but I have no use for that airline anymore.

And by the way I didn't "milk anything". I was a line pilot at AA until I was furloughed in seniority order. I am sorry that you hit the street a few years before I did but I had nothing to do with you furlough nor your sorry life.

 

[mrvmo]

DangerDumbF*%k,

Yes you are correct...............excuse me so I can end it all by jumping off my roof.:bawling:

PS Your milking another few years had everything to do with us. You would have been gone within months without us below you. Also we still don't care about your plans.