AA pilot arrested in England for suspicion of being drunk

[32LT10]

Like I said, it ain't the AA pilot's job to take it the shorts just because you guys got bought out.

So sorry to disappoint you fox-tree, but I did not work for TWA or AA. I just have a good appreciation for the underhanded dealings that the APA used on the TWA pilots. This was a stuff job and the AA pilots will someday be held accountable for the crimes they have commited.

 

[32LT10]

Its time to get on with your life dude. No one cares about your bitterness nor your problems. Thats life.

I did not work for TWA nor AA. Just an informed UAL pilot that has a good grasp on the atroctities that AA has commited.

 

[Gorilla]

I'll also try to steer back on topic...

I have a good bud, a really nice guy, who is flying with a waiver for diabetes. Several monbths ago, after boarding his plane, a FAM introduced himself, thought he detected alcohol, and called the airport police. While the police were enroute, the FAM tried to detain (verbally) my friend, who was having none of it. He left the scene for an alcohol test, which of course came back 0.0000000%

Like sexual harassment, you are guilty, hung, drawn and quartered by "do-goody" types who think they need to save the public, be they judges, TSA, cops, child protective services, etc.

The Manchester FB may have had a BAC; if so, he deserves to be fired but no jail time, as he did not operate the equipment. If he is totally innocent, I think some civil lawsuits would be appropriate by both this pilot and AA.

 

[Dangerkitty]

I did not work for TWA nor AA. Just an informed UAL pilot that has a good grasp on the atroctities that AA has commited.

Which the Naative AA pilots had no part of.

 

[32LT10]

Hey Mr UAL-patented Butt Reamer,
The judge is corrupt, oh sure. I knew you were gonna revert to that lame a$$ defense. You wanna talk corrupt judges, tell me about the judge that let your AIRLINE WALLOW AROUND FOR THREE YEARS IN BK AND THEN RE-EMERGE! Gee, how much damage did that do to airlines like CAL and AA who actually had to pay their bills. Not to mention the undue damages to all the pilot groups that had to stoop to your level.

So get off your high horse and go fly your Euro Trash for $125/hour.... Hey! That's Jetblue's rate as well! So now you can both sing the Rhapsody IN BLUE together. In the mean time, we'll do you all a favor and not cave in the way your lame a$$ pilot group did. You're welcome.

Oh 73 you really are a class act. The vulgarity is really becoming. Again I ask you for numbers and you can only turn the subject to something other than what was asked. Well I am not sure how to answer your stimulating questions. In 2000 UAL pilots achieved the highest paying contract in the industry. Where was AA? When did you set the bar? How about B-scale? Do you remember your groups lowering the bar to those wages back in the day? I sure do. Still have my no-B scale button and a scab list to prove we would not accept a B-scale. Yep, AA really has been a friend of the industry. HA

Corrupt judge in the UAL case. OK whatever you say big guy. I just hope it roast your nuts that UAL is still in business and that our stock is still trading higher than AA and the analyst upped the target to $45 a share yesterday.

Now back to the original subject matter of this thread: What will be the fallout of the drunk AA pilot for the rest of the crew. Why did the Captain allow him to go to work in an obvious state of inebriation? Is there a cover up here?

One of my favorite quotes on this whole thing was from the AA press release. "Hey he was only a relief pilot!" Like he was on second shift and it was OK for him to show up toasted. What does your FOM say about a bunkie and drinking? Do they really have a waiver to show up blasted?

So many questions and so few pubs. Euro trash? You mean an airbus? Like the ones you have with the folding tails Who pushes a rudder like that? Someone that would land in a T-stm in LIT and not back up a button push in South America? Think any of those guys were drinking also?

Moderator reviewed.

 

[32LT10]

I'll also try to steer back on topic...


The Manchester FB may have had a BAC; if so, he deserves to be fired but no jail time, as he did not operate the equipment. If he is totally innocent, I think some civil lawsuits would be appropriate by both this pilot and AA.

Didn't the US lock up the Virgin Atlantic pilot that was popped at IAD a year or so ago. If so this may be a bit of tit for tat. If the VS pilot is doing time I would think they will try to make the same rules stick for the AA pilot.

 

[Boeingman]

I did not work for TWA nor AA. Just an informed UAL pilot that has a good grasp on the atroctities that AA has commited.

LMAO....a UAL pilot talking about committing atrocities!!!!!!

Take a look in your own closet for skeletons before you start casting stones.

 

[Dangerkitty]

In 2000 UAL pilots achieved the highest paying contract in the industry. Where was AA?

AA got the same exact rates in 2001 but turned them down over SCOPE. We didn't want the pay if it meant more RJ's going to Eagle. Something you guys at UAL didn't consider.

I just hope it roast your nuts that UAL is still in business and that our stock is still trading higher than AA and the analyst upped the target to $45 a share yesterday.

Quit posting financial information when it is obvious you dont have a clue what you are talking about. The individual price of a stock means very very little. SWA's stock is selling for 16.75. By using your logic that would mean that UAL is in better shape because its shares are double that of LUV's. It doesn't work like that junior.

UAL's market cap is 1.7 Billion while AMR's market cap is 4.2 Billon. Just to let you now LUV's market cap is 13.4 Billion. The individual share price UAL stock means nothing. Market cap is what it is all about. Boy are you clueless.

 

[32LT10]

AA got the same exact rates in 2001 but turned them down over SCOPE. We didn't want the pay if it meant more RJ's going to Eagle. Something you guys at UAL didn't consider.



Quit posting financial information when it is obvious you dont have a clue what you are talking about. The individual price of a stock means very very little. SWA's stock is selling for 16.75. By using your logic that would mean that UAL is in better shape because its shares are double that of LUV's. It doesn't work like that junior.

Oh the AAilleteraati. You are so right. I never see any AAeale airplanes anywhere. You really put the squash on those airplanes. What you really did was put you and your airline at the competitive disadvantage. While I sure wish we had the 70 seaters at the mainline UAL is kicking AAhiney with the E170 and the CRJ700 with explus service. You guys are now behind the power curve.

As for the stock, junior, I do understand the market cap. However, the AA'ers on here were quick to point out that the UAL stock would tank as soon as it was issued. It has done exactly the opposite. While the future is still anyones guess the AA and JBLU crowd on here have been proven wrong once again.

So how drunk was he?

 

[AA717driver]

Further up the thread someone suggested you take a hint from AA717Driver, XTW and a few others. While we may disagree with each other on some parts of the TWA buyout, we have learned to get along anyway and even enjoy each others company.

Oh, we're not over it, we're just biding our time. You REALLY think this guy was drunk? HAH! That's one number down... Only 9,000 to go. TC

 

[Mugs]

Oh 73 you really are a class act. The vulgarity is really becoming. Again I ask you for numbers and you can only turn the subject to something other than what was asked. Well I am not sure how to answer your stimulating questions. In 2000 UAL pilots achieved the highest paying contract in the industry. Where was AA? When did you set the bar? How about B-scale? Do you remember your groups lowering the bar to those wages back in the day? I sure do. Still have my no-B scale button and a scab list to prove we would not accept a B-scale. Yep, AA really has been a friend of the industry. HA

That sounds good if you pretend that Blue Skies never happened. That action at UAL led to a reaction at AMR. At least in the case of AA, their management grew the airline under the B-scale. What did UAL management do with Blue Skies ---squandered it which eventually required the ESOP bail out / debacle.

 

[banned username 1]

Wow- talk about a thread going south. After reading all the posts, I give AAslag an A+ for perspective.

If you guys want to continue "debating" please try to steer clear of the insults to one another.

Thanks

 

[Dave Siegel]

Wow- talk about a thread going south. After reading all the posts, I give AAslag an A+ for perspective.

If you guys want to continue "debating" please try to steer clear of the insults to one another.

Thanks

Hi, it's Dave!

One thing is clear. Pilots who try to get their "message" out there by using the media get VERY touchy when one of your fellow pilots acts irresponsibly and it's captured by the media.

You can't have it both ways.

Typical pilots.

 

[Whale Pilot]

Oh, we're not over it, we're just biding our time. You REALLY think this guy was drunk? HAH! That's one number down... Only 9,000 to go. TC

Thanks TC

This would make any TWA pilot proud. Typical TWA family sticking together. I am also proud that the industry finally understands how AMR and it's greedy employees raped TWA. "Two Great Airlines, One Great Future" Hah.... remember that AA scablickers!

 

[aa73]

Thanks TC

This would make any TWA pilot proud. Typical TWA family sticking together. I am also proud that the industry finally understands how AMR and it's greedy employees raped TWA. "Two Great Airlines, One Great Future" Hah.... remember that AA scablickers!

Whale Pilot,

With all due respect I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you received the short end of the stick. But please put blame where blame is due. To blame the rank and file AA pilots for something they had no control over is absurd. If you want to be ticked off for life, go for it - but blame the right parties. Call up Ed White and the APA negotiating team and give 'em hell. Write Don Carty and send in a little dingleberry turd in the envelope. Sue the F--K out of ALPA and get as much money as you can. But please lay off the AA employees, specifically pilots who had no say in what went down. Trust me when I say, we watched from the sidelines. There was no vote for this whole deal - none. Most if not all of us would have voted for no jobs lost. You can thank Bin Laden for that little gem.

I had the opportunity to fly out of STL for a little over a year. A fine group of professionals amongst which I made many friends. Let's see if we can carry over that professionalism to this thread. I'll gladly start.

32LT10, the fact that the moderator edited your absurd posts speaks volumes about the kind of person you really are. Nice to know that you cast stones over accidents that took lives of passengers and crews, as if that stuff couldn't happen to you. Nice to know that you'll give benefit of the doubt to an accused drunk pilot, but yet you won't give benefit of the doubt to an F/O who didn't realize how monstrously powerful the A300 rudder really is. I could sit here and chastise a whole bunch of incidents/accidents made by your fine folk but I won't.

I'll be watching your reaction if/when UAL merges with someone else. Nice to know that the UAL folks were gloating about stapling all of the USAir emplyees back in '00. I'll bet you were pretty vocal about that.

Whether you think the AA-TWA deal was fair or not, I could care less. It happened, and through no fault of AA employees. Maybe the APA leadership will get what it deserves, but to sit here and wish ill onto our pilot group who had no say in this is pretty immature.

That's all Folks, blue skies.
73

P.S. Moderators - thanks for putting up with all this crap - a lot of which came from me.

 

[Whale Pilot]

Whale Pilot,

With all due respect I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you received the short end of the stick. But please put blame where blame is due. To blame the rank and file AA pilots for something they had no control over is absurd. If you want to be ticked off for life, go for it - but blame the right parties. Call up Ed White and the APA negotiating team and give 'em hell. Write Don Carty and send in a little dingleberry turd in the envelope. Sue the F--K out of ALPA and get as much money as you can. But please lay off the AA employees, specifically pilots who had no say in what went down. Trust me when I say, we watched from the sidelines. There was no vote for this whole deal - none. Most if not all of us would have voted for no jobs lost. You can thank Bin Laden for that little gem.

I had the opportunity to fly out of STL for a little over a year. A fine group of professionals amongst which I made many friends. Let's see if we can carry over that professionalism to this thread. I'll gladly start.

32LT10, the fact that the moderator edited your absurd posts speaks volumes about the kind of person you really are. Nice to know that you cast stones over accidents that took lives of passengers and crews, as if that stuff couldn't happen to you. Nice to know that you'll give benefit of the doubt to an accused drunk pilot, but yet you won't give benefit of the doubt to an F/O who didn't realize how monstrously powerful the A300 rudder really is. I could sit here and chastise a whole bunch of incidents/accidents made by your fine folk but I won't.

I'll be watching your reaction if/when UAL merges with someone else. Nice to know that the UAL folks were gloating about stapling all of the USAir emplyees back in '00. I'll bet you were pretty vocal about that.

Whether you think the AA-TWA deal was fair or not, I could care less. It happened, and through no fault of AA employees. Maybe the APA leadership will get what it deserves, but to sit here and wish ill onto our pilot group who had no say in this is pretty immature.

That's all Folks, blue skies.
73

P.S. Moderators - thanks for putting up with all this crap - a lot of which came from me.

Well,

AA 73 let me first state that I didn't specifically say pilots; I said employees. The flight attendant group got the worst deal. They were all stapled, stripped of any benefits and then had their right to recall was negotiated away so AA flight attendant's could keep their jobs. Now that the five year window is approaching, Every single TWA flight attendant's careers are being forever lost while leaves of absences are being denied due to improper manpower planning; many TWA flight attendants careers are gone forever. In fact, APA and APFA are negoatiating with AMR to fly extra because of short staffing. I am not aware of any airline employee group willing to fly extra while its union brothers and sisters are furloughed. That's pure greed. But since the TWA employees are not even worth the reach around, it really doesn't matter to the AMR employee group. When APA implements pref. bidding, the staffing crunch will be relieved even further allowing the furlough clock to run longer.

Every employee group of TWA was destroyed, not just pilots. APA put the ALPA drive on hold while the TWA pilot staple (aka sh*t sandwich) was being prepared. APA wanted to staple all TWA pilots and advised ALPA to help in doing it. The carrot for ALPA was the rank and file of the AMR pilots once this was complete. ALPA advised our MEC to accept Supp. CC. WE WOULDN'T SIGN. Now of course all of this will come out in court. ALPA cannot begin the membership drive at AA now because of the lawsuit brought on by the rank and file pilot group of TWA.

So to say you all sat on the sidelines and couldn't do anything, is like the Germans in all the towns stating they didn't smell the stench from the woods.

 

[conman]

I am not aware of any airline employee group willing to fly extra while its union brothers and sisters are furloughed.


Ask the USair and UAL pilots what their monthly max was before and after they furloughed pilots.

 

[32LT10]

Whale Pilot,


32LT10, the fact that the moderator edited your absurd posts speaks volumes about the kind of person you really are. Nice to know that you cast stones over accidents that took lives of passengers and crews, as if that stuff couldn't happen to you.

73 You started the whole name calling with your douche comment. You can not take the stones being thrown back at then don't throw them in the first place.

Of course from your bio you are but a wet behind the ears pup in the aviation world. Heck I probably have peanut dust in the bottom of my flight bag that has been around longer than you. Perhaps with longevity will come knowledge.

So I suppose the numbers of TWA pilots at AA is a great secret that no one call tell?

Finally, I will apologize to you and the offending pilot if he is proven to be sober. But I feel pretty comofortable in the fact that he will be found guilty as charged. The one good thing AA has is a spin department. They will spin it to their benefit somehow. In the end it is just another drunk pilot and AA will skate just like they have in all of the other , dare I say the word, crashes in the recent past. AAmaazing whaat a good PR depaartment can do when AA does something stupid.

 

[FN FAL]

I probably have peanut dust in the bottom of my flight bag that has been around longer than you.

Hahaha. Good one.

 

[AAslag]

Oh, we're not over it, we're just biding our time. You REALLY think this guy was drunk? HAH! That's one number down... Only 9,000 to go. TC

Thanks TC, go ahead, spill your guts.....You don't remember the definition of covert? Obviously not, or you would remember the blood oath.

 

[AAslag]

Thanks TC

This would make any TWA pilot proud. Typical TWA family sticking together. I am also proud that the industry finally understands how AMR and it's greedy employees raped TWA. "Two Great Airlines, One Great Future" Hah.... remember that AA scablickers!

Ok, I'm sorry, I have to admit that Whales last sentence did crack me up.

Thanks Don Carty, Thanks Don Burr, and thank you Francisco Lorenzo. And a special howdy to our best bud.......Uncle Carl, that is if we may call you Carl.

 

[AA717driver]

...that is if we may call you Carl.

TC

P.S.--Sorry about busting cover. Does that mean I'm out of the next mission?

 

[AAslag]

No, but we have to take your Knights Templar ring away!

 

[aa73]

Well,
So to say you all sat on the sidelines and couldn't do anything, is like the Germans in all the towns stating they didn't smell the stench from the woods.

Whale,

We smelled the stench.... we knew what was going on.... but I once again challenge you to this question - what in heck could we do about it? Soundoffs? Lobbying the politicians? I'm sure that while you were employed by AA, you got a taste of just how helpless the pilot group is when APA or AMR management gets an idea.

I'll give you an idea of where we stood during the whole fiasco. These things were changing on a weekly basis. We (the rank and file) didn't even know the final outcome until weeks later when it was all mailed out to the membership. (the details of Supp CC, that is.) So what, exactly, could we do? Until you TWA radicals can answer that question, I have to call B.S. on your comment that we, the employees, screwed you.

Don't forget that when the APA started negotiating sessions with the TWA MEC, half the time your guys would either walk out or boycott the meeting from the start. After a few of those, the APA got fed up. I would, too. This whole thing wasn't entirely the APA playing "bad boy." There are two sides to every story.

Sooo, in the end your own union refused to stand up for you guys. After all those years paying dues, ALPA decided to look the other way, and the result is what it is. Kind of like a teacher looking the other way when a kid does something questionable. So in that regard, all of your stories regarding loss of jobs on the TWA sides can be attributed to 1) ALPA failing to represent you in a proper way, and 2) 9/11. All the APA did was put forth several seniority integration proposals, of which the last one stood in court. ALPA just looked the other way. And when 9/11 hit, thousands of jobs were lost, both on the TWA and AA side.

So while I sympathize with your plight regarding your furlough, I don't appreciate being personally blamed for your status. It was about as much in my control as my eye color.

 

[aa73]

73 You started the whole name calling with your douche comment. You can not take the stones being thrown back at then don't throw them in the first place.

Of course from your bio you are but a wet behind the ears pup in the aviation world. Heck I probably have peanut dust in the bottom of my flight bag that has been around longer than you. Perhaps with longevity will come knowledge.

So I suppose the numbers of TWA pilots at AA is a great secret that no one call tell?

Finally, I will apologize to you and the offending pilot if he is proven to be sober. But I feel pretty comofortable in the fact that he will be found guilty as charged. The one good thing AA has is a spin department. They will spin it to their benefit somehow. In the end it is just another drunk pilot and AA will skate just like they have in all of the other , dare I say the word, crashes in the recent past. AAmaazing whaat a good PR depaartment can do when AA does something stupid.

32L,

Regardless of my time in the industry, I call it like I see it. So in that respect I apologize for the "douche" comment. But to sit here and chastize the AA pilot group for something they were not responsible for reeks of immaturity and bitterness on your part. Maybe you've been in this industry too long.

Neswflash - UAL pilots, over time, have also gotten busted over the bottle. Just about any pilot from any airline has had it happen. But don't hold me responsible for the actions of someone with a lack of good judgment. I watch my own a$$ just fine.

Whatever happened with the whole asset acquisition is out of my control. I just call the facts the way I see them, and the facts are that both pilot groups were locked out of negotiations. So direct your anger towards the APA negotiating comittee, and ALPA, and 9/11. Keep us pilots out of it, cause we didn't have a say in it.

Out of 2300 total TWA pilots, about 500 remain on the property.
Out of about 11,000 total AA pilots (pre 9/11), about 9400 remain on the property.

So we've seen massive furloughs from both sides, plus massive retirements. AA has also drawn down the fleet from the acquisition date, whereby several AA and TWA aircraft have been retired. i.e. it's a wash.

Good day,
73

 

[Whale Pilot]

32L,

Regardless of my time in the industry, I call it like I see it. So in that respect I apologize for the "douche" comment. But to sit here and chastize the AA pilot group for something they were not responsible for reeks of immaturity and bitterness on your part. Maybe you've been in this industry too long.

Neswflash - UAL pilots, over time, have also gotten busted over the bottle. Just about any pilot from any airline has had it happen. But don't hold me responsible for the actions of someone with a lack of good judgment. I watch my own a$$ just fine.

Whatever happened with the whole asset acquisition is out of my control. I just call the facts the way I see them, and the facts are that both pilot groups were locked out of negotiations. So direct your anger towards the APA negotiating comittee, and ALPA, and 9/11. Keep us pilots out of it, cause we didn't have a say in it.

Out of 2300 total TWA pilots, about 500 remain on the property.
Out of about 11,000 total AA pilots (pre 9/11), about 9400 remain on the property.

So we've seen massive furloughs from both sides, plus massive retirements. AA has also drawn down the fleet from the acquisition date, whereby several AA and TWA aircraft have been retired. i.e. it's a wash.

Good day,
73

Hey idiot,

AA had approximately 9700 pilots on the property when Supp CC was imposed. In fact the implementation date was postponed an additional two weeks so you guys could get a couple more new hire classes in. You also used a seniority list for the staple job that used retired twa pilots for the intregration of the upper 30% thus further putting the twa pilot group on the bottom. While a 15 year captain was put on the street, an aa wonderboy with a months seniority kept his job!

 

[aa73]

Hey idiot,

AA had approximately 9700 pilots on the property when Supp CC was imposed. In fact the implementation date was postponed an additional two weeks so you guys could get a couple more new hire classes in. You also used a seniority list for the staple job that used retired twa pilots for the intregration of the upper 30% thus further putting the twa pilot group on the bottom. While a 15 year captain was put on the street, an aa wonderboy with a months seniority kept his job!

Oh, so now you resort to name calling when I try and clear up the facts?

You ignorant turd, when Supp CC was implemented my senioritynumber was around 10300, and I had over 1000 pilots below me. Do the math, 10300 +1000 =11300, plus or minus a few. Why don't you gather your facts before you spout your drivel. Not only that, Sup CC was implemented after 9/11 - and we weren't hiring anymore, so that part about "getting a couple more new hire classes in" is total BS!

A 15 year captain put on the street, and an AA "wonderboy" got to keep his job. Well, what do you expect, that AA "wonderboy" was HIRED at AA before your ignorant a$$ was ACQUIRED, NUMBNUTS! So PISS OFF!

That's what I get for trying to talk sense to a mule!

 

[Whale Pilot]

Oh, so now you resort to name calling when I try and clear up the facts?

You ignorant turd, when Supp CC was implemented my senioritynumber was around 10300, and I had over 1000 pilots below me. Do the math, 10300 +1000 =11300, plus or minus a few. Why don't you gather your facts before you spout your drivel. Not only that, Sup CC was implemented after 9/11 - and we weren't hiring anymore, so that part about "getting a couple more new hire classes in" is total BS!

A 15 year captain put on the street, and an AA "wonderboy" got to keep his job. Well, what do you expect, that AA "wonderboy" was HIRED at AA before your ignorant a$$ was ACQUIRED, NUMBNUTS! So PISS OFF!

That's what I get for trying to talk sense to a mule!

Hey AA73,

I apologize but I didn't write the above comment. I was flying and I must not have signed out of the computer in the business center. Please forgive what was said and I will make sure in the future that I click to sign off before leaving a public computer again.

Again, please accept my apologies.

Whale

 

[aa73]

Hey AA73,

I apologize but I didn't write the above comment. I was flying and I must not have signed out of the computer in the business center. Please forgive what was said and I will make sure in the future that I click to sign off before leaving a public computer again.

Again, please accept my apologies.

Whale

Accepted, and sorry that I lost it.

Peace,
73

 

[AAslag]

Ok, now that we have a temporary cease fire does anyone know the status.

Did he blow positive or not?

Slag: Looking for more ammo.