AV8OR
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Wow, what thread! Back to what somebody said on page two...
The reason for this furlough/pay issue happened way back 1995 when the RJ's started to come out. Here's what happened.
First, the Major Pilot unions scoffed and said. It'll never happen. The "commuters"(as they were then called) won't ever see jets.
Then, they, Major Pilot unions said "Well, they may get them, but they won't be profitable, because of "excedingly high" cost per ASM. The RJ won't be here for long.
Then, as the "commuters" became "regionals", the pilot groups at the regionals looked around and said, "Hey, we're flying jets, you're flying jets. We're flying AA, DAL, etc. pax, you're flying the same. We're flying BHM to NEW you're flying BHM to NEW. But we are getting paid a lot less than you guys, this can't be good for any of us in the long run, why don't we combine lists, somehow someway!" The Major Pilot unions said, your outa yer mind, yall are "commuter" pilots! Go build some "experience in your little "Barbie Jet" and call us later, we need experienced professionals here at the major, not you guys. I tell ya what, here's a bone. After you make Captain on the Barbie Jet and fly it for two years, we'll let you start at the bottom of our seniority list.
Then the Major Airlines purchased the regionals and bought even more jets, and the regional pilots said, "Hey, now I work for DAL, CAL, AA too, we really need one list so they don't play us against each other! What do yall think?" Major Pilot unions said, A. You don,t REALLY work for the same company we do. B. Your still just commuter pilots, when are yall gonna learn that? C. If yall want better pay then yall better get it on your own. We got ours, yall get yours. D. We don't have any strength as a union to compell the company to make us all one list, even if we wanted to. We're powerless to help you guys. But, we'll by God break this place if we don't get "industry leading" on the 777. E. By the way, we, the Major Pilot union, not the company, we are the ones who benevolently allow YOU to fly OUR passengers.
Then 9/11 happened, majors claimed "force majeur", did what they dang well pleased to violate every scope clause out there to replace a good portion of the Major Pilot union wage with the Regional pilot union wage, and then some Major Pilot unions said "Hey, we'll fly those "Barbie Jets". Or, "Maybe we need to consider merging lists".
That's why the industry is where it is today. Greed, arrogance, and lack of forward vision, by the pilot group that had, and do mean HAD, the strength prevent this. The regional jet pilots have seen this coming for years and tried to get the message across. The senior major pilots were busy securing "industry leading" pay. Good morning Viet Nam. Too bad. It's probably too late now. SWA has nothing to do with it.
The reason for this furlough/pay issue happened way back 1995 when the RJ's started to come out. Here's what happened.
First, the Major Pilot unions scoffed and said. It'll never happen. The "commuters"(as they were then called) won't ever see jets.
Then, they, Major Pilot unions said "Well, they may get them, but they won't be profitable, because of "excedingly high" cost per ASM. The RJ won't be here for long.
Then, as the "commuters" became "regionals", the pilot groups at the regionals looked around and said, "Hey, we're flying jets, you're flying jets. We're flying AA, DAL, etc. pax, you're flying the same. We're flying BHM to NEW you're flying BHM to NEW. But we are getting paid a lot less than you guys, this can't be good for any of us in the long run, why don't we combine lists, somehow someway!" The Major Pilot unions said, your outa yer mind, yall are "commuter" pilots! Go build some "experience in your little "Barbie Jet" and call us later, we need experienced professionals here at the major, not you guys. I tell ya what, here's a bone. After you make Captain on the Barbie Jet and fly it for two years, we'll let you start at the bottom of our seniority list.
Then the Major Airlines purchased the regionals and bought even more jets, and the regional pilots said, "Hey, now I work for DAL, CAL, AA too, we really need one list so they don't play us against each other! What do yall think?" Major Pilot unions said, A. You don,t REALLY work for the same company we do. B. Your still just commuter pilots, when are yall gonna learn that? C. If yall want better pay then yall better get it on your own. We got ours, yall get yours. D. We don't have any strength as a union to compell the company to make us all one list, even if we wanted to. We're powerless to help you guys. But, we'll by God break this place if we don't get "industry leading" on the 777. E. By the way, we, the Major Pilot union, not the company, we are the ones who benevolently allow YOU to fly OUR passengers.
Then 9/11 happened, majors claimed "force majeur", did what they dang well pleased to violate every scope clause out there to replace a good portion of the Major Pilot union wage with the Regional pilot union wage, and then some Major Pilot unions said "Hey, we'll fly those "Barbie Jets". Or, "Maybe we need to consider merging lists".
That's why the industry is where it is today. Greed, arrogance, and lack of forward vision, by the pilot group that had, and do mean HAD, the strength prevent this. The regional jet pilots have seen this coming for years and tried to get the message across. The senior major pilots were busy securing "industry leading" pay. Good morning Viet Nam. Too bad. It's probably too late now. SWA has nothing to do with it.