AA New Hires in Dec

[aa73]

How senior is LAX? Is there an equip lock initially? Thanks for all the good info.

Pretty senior, ever since SFO closed... however, SFO opened back up as a satellite base so maybe LAX will get a little more junior.

Equip lock is 2 years, I believe.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

From AA job description:

Ability to learn and work with PEDs. The only thing that comes to mind is Performance Enhancing Drugs.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Personal Electronic Devices (PED) I.e iPads.

From AA job description:

Ability to learn and work with PEDs. The only thing that comes to mind is Performance Enhancing Drugs.

 

[i fly boxes]

Well, Eagle guys get half so 750 out of 1500, street hires have a better chance of winning the lotto

Just like the real lottery, you don't win unless you buy a ticket. I want a ticket for the first class

 

[Bushhatesyou]

Anybody want to venture what the medical exam portion will be like?

 

[goahead]

Anybody want to venture what the medical exam portion will be like?

Can't be any worse than my 12 years at ASA

 

[HalinTexas]

Worked some 2.5 hours on the application. Still not finished.

Funniest part?

In the "demographics" section, it asked the usual (optional) birth, gender and race questions, but then it asked if I was a fighter pilot? Had to laugh. Probably just checking to see if even read that part of the app.

 

[Iflyamouse]

Interesting that there is no mention of flight time or education requirements. We'll all be anxious to see what types of quals it takes to get the first round of interviews.

We are looking for great people that can:
? Set a high standard for providing our customers safe and reliable travel
? Handle a wide variety of situations while working with other team members and our customers
? Work independently or as part of a team with limited supervision
? Ensure the safety and comfort of our customers
? Provide leadership by responding to a variety of emergency and non-emergency situations
? Work in climates and locations across the globe and work variable shifts

Qualifications
Here is what it takes to be a successful pilot at American:
? Excellent communication skills and quick and accurate decision making
? Close attention to detail
? Minimum age of 23
? Ability to work varying hours of the day or night, on weekends and holidays
? Must be able to secure appropriate airport authority and/or Customs security badges
? Fulfillment of FAA criminal background checks
? Ability to learn and work with PEDs
? Distance vision corrected to 20/20 and near vision corrected to 20/40 or better in each eye
? Current Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) rating (multi-engine) or a valid ATP written test
? Valid FCC Restricted Radio Telephone Operator permit
? Valid First Class Medical Certificate
? Flight time in accordance with all FAA requirements
? Must be able to fluently speak and understand English
? Must have the right to work in the United States
? Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into the United States after an international flight.

 

[Iflyamouse]

Phase I:

We will use state-of-the art software designed to evaluate applicants by virtue of the flight-related data they provide in their online application. Additionally, candidates will complete an online assessment designed specifically for pilot selection.

Phase II:
Selected candidates are asked to complete a video interview. Through this interview, we can better determine their interpersonal and communication skills, along with their ability to think on their feet. The strongest candidates are invited to meet with our team in person. During this time, candidates will undergo a two-day assessment.

On day 1, we will conduct a Pilot Skills Test (PST). The PST is a new, computerized evaluation program that measures the critical skills necessary to become an American pilot. Day 2 is dedicated to a two-part, face-to-face interview conducted by Captains and First Officers from all of our crew bases and members of the Pilot Selection Department. The questions are behavioral-based, and our goal is to get an accurate picture of a candidate's demeanor and decision-making skills by learning about actual situations they've encountered through their career.

Phase III
Once we have a complete picture of the candidate, the final step is to have their file evaluated by the Pilot Selection Board, a panel made up of several members of the Flight Department, including Vice President of Flight, Captain John Hale and Chief Pilot Line Operations, Captain Bart Roberts. The approved candidates are then contacted by the Flight Department and given a conditional offer with American Airlines. We then schedule a medical exam and once the results are known, we will make the final call confirming our conditional offer.

 

[SVA_402]

We then schedule a medical exam and once the results are known, we will make the final call confirming our conditional offer.

I'm super curious what's on the medical exam or what they look for.

 

[Beefy Botham]

What is a realistic timeframe to Captain if hired in this current wave? I know there are lots of variables here but any educated guesses? Wondering if I should jump ship.

 

[Andy]

Congrats to AMR on the new hiring. If I were making a move to the majors, AMR would rank would rank #1. Lots of movement in the next few years.

 

[dollacrackho]

And i would go to American instead of Airways because you'll probably jump over all the US Air new hires.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

I'm super curious what's on the medical exam or what they look for.

Unless they have changed it, stricter than most. A friend got all the way through years ago only to get dropped for taking cholesterol lowering med's and a little above the suggested weight / height index.

 

[StaySeated]

What is a realistic timeframe to Captain if hired in this current wave? I know there are lots of variables here but any educated guesses? Wondering if I should jump ship.

I took a look at the retirements at AMR and it equals about 3700 retirements in the next decade. At that point you would still be an FO absent a substantial amount of growth considering the current list has 9600 pilots.

 

[711-24-7]

And i would go to American instead of Airways because you'll probably jump over all the US Air new hires.

Let's just see if the merger goes thru first, champ! That's a big IF....

 

[RJLoser]

And i would go to American instead of Airways because you'll probably jump over all the US Air new hires.

Negative ghost rider.

 

[Flyer1015]

Negative ghost rider.

What part?

 

[dollacrackho]

Judging how well airways has done in past mergers there's a chance active us air captains could get plunked behind American new hires.

 

[MATHEWS]

After the announcement of the Merger (02/2013) it will go by date of hire. No other logical way to do it boss....I guarantee it!

 

[The Drizzle]

Judging how well airways has done in past mergers there's a chance active us air captains could get plunked behind American new hires.

While a but hyperbolic, you are presenting the nut of it. In the last few arbitrated lists, the extreme position has been punished while the moderate positions are rewarded. USAPA's DOH restriction in their constitution and bylaws is an extreme position and I have no faith that they will see reason at the table should this merger go through. I'd expect a pretty large smack down if it's all DOH chest thumping.

 

[RJLoser]

What part?

All new hires after merger announcement DOH.

 

[Iflyamouse]

What is a realistic timeframe to Captain if hired in this current wave? I know there are lots of variables here but any educated guesses? Wondering if I should jump ship.

That's a really tough question considering the merger. Too many unknowns to speculate on the impact that will have.

I will say that as it sits right now, I think a new-hire will move up to 50% on the AA seniority list in 10/11 years. Growth, and the number of people who accept recall (there's probably close to 1000 who bypassed) will have an impact on that.

 

[StaySeated]

I will say that as it sits right now, I think a new-hire will move up to 50% on the AA seniority list in 10/11 years. Growth, and the number of people who accept recall (there's probably close to 1000 who bypassed) will have an impact on that.

I looked at the lists of mandatory retirements available online (accuracy unknown) and AA shows approximately 3700 mandatory retirements in the next 10 years. You will need quite a bit of growth and a lot of bypassers to move up the list 50%.

 

[ALGFLYR]

.... You will need quite a bit of growth and a lot of bypassers to move up the list 50%.

No bypassers. When your number comes up for upgrade, you have to take it. I think there are ways to pass on a short term basis, but you basically can count on the top 50% of the list being Captains and the bottom 50% First Officers... Well maybe not 50/50 because of all the international flying requiring extra F/O's, but whatever the Capt/FO ratio is, it's probably a pretty clear line...

 

[Wingman10]

ALGFLYR states:
No bypassers. When your number comes up for upgrade, you have to take it.
That is not a true statement. There are plenty of people that bypass when their number comes up and purposely remain FO's. Very senior FO's I might add.

Bidding quality of life comes to mind as to reasons why?

 

[ERfly]

No bypassers. When your number comes up for upgrade, you have to take it. I think there are ways to pass on a short term basis, but you basically can count on the top 50% of the list being Captains and the bottom 50% First Officers... Well maybe not 50/50 because of all the international flying requiring extra F/O's, but whatever the Capt/FO ratio is, it's probably a pretty clear line...

Pretty sure AA got rid of the "Up or Out" policy.


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[ALGFLYR]

Current APA contract, effective Jan 1st, 2013 (Greenbook):

Section 17.O Requirement to qualify in turn. Para. 1 states: "All pilots are required to qualify in turn for the next higher pilot category at their base."

It seems the "Up or Out" policy is in the current contract...

 

[Iflyamouse]

I looked at the lists of mandatory retirements available online (accuracy unknown) and AA shows approximately 3700 mandatory retirements in the next 10 years. You will need quite a bit of growth and a lot of bypassers to move up the list 50%.

I'll admit ... I'm optimistic.

People getting hired now are in the 9400 seniority range, 3700 retires in 10 years puts them at 5700-ish. In year 11 there are 700 retirements moving you up to ~5000. Years 12 and 13 also have 700 retirements each FWIW.

AA publicly said they're hiring 1500 pilots in the next 5 years. Only 800 will retire in that time frame so that's ~700 growth putting the list over 10K.

Assuming no more growth past 5 years that means someone hired today would
be at 5700 of 10300 or 55%. Year 11 = 5000 of 10300 or 48.5%.

When I mentioned bypass, I'm not talking about Captains bypassing upgrade. I'm talking about 1175 deferees who bypassed recall. They may or may not come back.

One thing's for sure is that the merger is looking more and more likely every day so all of this will get thrown out the window.

 

[densoo]

Ends tomorrow!

"We realize that it takes some time to complete the application and we do appreciate your time. You have until October 9th, 2013 to complete your profile."

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