AA MD80 lands short in DEN? / AA MD-80 undershoots DIA rwy 35L

[rudderdog]

Whatever....Yawn.

But before I go to bed:

Go back and pick a fight with somebody else...The AA pilots sure as hell did not wish for TWA to come aboard.

If TWA was so great, heck run your own airline and stay afloat...If not, blame your managment and your union for your problems.

I got my own problems, tired of hearing about yours.

Cry on somebody else's shoulders.

Goodnight.

Later, dude.

 

[rudderdog]

...and therefore you have no argument. Your career choice netted you the present result... as did mine, and the next guy's ,etc.

You cannot control what becomes of your career, my friend. Most of the TWA pilots I fly with, as well as AA pilots, have long come to that conclusion.

See my above post for clarification.

Fine, lets all just go with the flow and never support or object anything. Sounds easy. Let the wind blow.........Hopelessly lost, but making good time!

 

[aa73]

Fine, lets all just go with the flow and never support or object anything. Sounds easy. Let the wind blow.........Hopelessly lost, but making good time!

NOW you finally get it!

 

[aa73]

It's obvious what you think about the integration so I'll bet you didn't oppose Supp CC and demand something more balanced. Am I wrong? For that, you, as a supportive union member, are to blame(or take credit for CC if you prefer).

I didn't oppose anything because it was out of my hands. And frankly, I never even wanted anything to do with the seniority integration because I knew that it was going to create headaches for everyone involved. As such, no, I am not to blame because I didn't craft CC or the integration or whatever. If you want to blame someone, blame them or your union - not me. Furthermore, I didn't have anything to vote on. -

If your in a union, you do have a say. You should learn how to communicate with your reps.

Nope, never had a say in it. Thousands of "soundoffs" were sent, phone calls made, domicile chairs called, etc... they still did it the way they wanted to. APA works from the senior guys down, and us junior folk have no say in what goes on at those levels. You probably weren't at AA long enough to realize that, but the rank and file might as well be on the moon. And yes, I do know how to communicate with them, I just choose not to, on any matter. I'm not too fond of them.

As such, don't hold ME accountable for your misfortune. I'm not the one that decided to buy your airline. I'm as much of a pawn in AMR's corporate game as the next guy.

This has nothing to do with who bought the airline. Are you an APA member?

Regrettably, yes. And yes, since you are intent on blaming me, I am merely suggest you blame the entity that bought your airline. I sure as heck didn't do it.

I'm sorry about the furlough. As I said to CSY Mon, you have worked for many months if not a couple of years beyond many very senior TWA pilots. And you will always have your seniority when called back.
I don't know your doh, but if you are getting furloughed then it must be around 2000, right? fair?

Absolutely. I was hired here before your airline was acquired. As such, APA ensured that those who were hired here were more protected than those that were not hired here. AA did the buying. If TWA would have bought us I'm sure I would have been furloughed very early in the game, as ALPA sought some protection for their members.

We all know who crafted the integeration.

Of course we do... APA was the bargaining agent weren't they?

First of all, MY life was not ruined. I'm doing fine, thank-you. Others are too, but some not. Sure, fair is an opinion. But, don't you, as a normal, human being, have a hint of an expectation of what "fair" is in most situations. Don't write off the word just because it's an opinion. If you made it through an airline interview you must have the ability to see that from other than just your little world. If you can, then you may use the word when speaking to other than yourself.

Not too sure of your point here. I'm glad your life wasn't ruined. My point is that nobody will ever be able to define if this was fair or not. It is strictly an opinion. I am not writing off the word, either. That's just what it is, an opinion, regardless of how much you want me to come out and scream unfair.

Did you support CC or not?

I support CC because it preserves the job expectations of TWA captains, even though it is a huge cash drain on the company. It is also what balances out the large number of TWA pilots that ended up at the bottom.

 

[TWA Dude]

aa73: I though you were off quoting IOE. You can still go back and edit to put the "/" to end your quotes, i.e. {/quote}

 

[rudderdog]

"I support CC because it preserves the job expectations of TWA captains, even though it is a huge cash drain on the company. It is also what balances out the large number of TWA pilots that ended up at the bottom."



.......The difference between a captain and an fo can be one number. Does that mean the fo does not have any career expectations? None? What a joke. Totally irrational. The arrogance among us is amazing.

How do you know if the "career expectatins" have been preserved?
If you all can't even form a reasonable opinion on what is "fair" from another prespective, how on Earth could you have determined the "career expectations" of an airline pilot....at any carrier?

I also think you need to calibrate your scale.

 

[aa73]

.......The difference between a captain and an fo can be one number. Does that mean the fo does not have any career expectations? None? What a joke. Totally irrational. The arrogance among us is amazing.

How do you know if the "career expectatins" have been preserved?
If you all can't even form a reasonable opinion on what is "fair" from another prespective, how on Earth could you have determined the "career expectations" of an airline pilot....at any carrier?

I also think you need to calibrate your scale.

Rudderdog, you are trying to twist the truth here. You know as well as I do that SLT (or STL, or whatever you want to call it) has its own seniority list. When recalls start happening, furloughed TWA pilots in many cases will get recalled right into the left seat. Not one furloughed AA pilot has that kind of reinstatement. That is what CC is all about - protecting the TWA pilots at the STL domicile. If that is not a protection of career expectations then I don't know what is.

What's more, when recalls start up that one FO that's one number away from Captain will upgrade with a seniority that would barely hold 767 FO anywhere else in the system. Once again protecting career expectations, allowing an upgrade more in line with TWA seniority than AA.

TWAdude, I've failed miserably. Back to the sim!