AA JFK crosswind emergency...

[satpak77]

comments ?

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/new...s_clearance_crosswind_emergency_202510-1.html

Construction And Crosswind Leads To JFK "Emergency" (With Audio)


The crew of a loaded American Airlines Boeing 767 out of Los Angeles ultimately declared an emergency while trying to land in strong crosswinds at JFK after apparently being denied their runway of choice. Speaking for the JFK Controller union, Steve Abraham told ABC news, the pilot "had no choice. He couldn't land 22L, it would have been illegal for him," due to the crosswind. JFK's main runway has been closed for about eight weeks, now, and maintaining the flow of traffic at the airport has led to some less than ideal clearances. For this crew, at that time, the clearance to 22L apparently crossed the line. After receiving the clearance, the crew responded, "We can't land on 22," adding later, "We're breaking off approach and if you don't give us to Runway 31R, we're going to declare an emergency." The pilots did declare an emergency, told the tower of their intentions and added, "Remove everybody from our way. We've declared an emergency."
JFK's main runway, the 14,572 foot-long 13 right/31 left was closed in March to undergo a four-month-long facelift that includes widening and repaving. The closure is expected to last through June and means that the international airport's normal traffic must be diverted to the international airport's three remaining runways. But, according to controllers, maintaining the pre-closure traffic volume in all weather conditions, without incurring delays, has presented challenges made manifest in this testy exchange. Click for Audio.

 

[Draginass]

Before you post something like this, why don't you get the complete facts behind this instead of inferring that it was a crosswind issue only?


Maybe the FAA administrator ought to put safety first for a change and decrease the volume of traffic when necessary.
But, then again, why would we expect him to do that when he stalls flight time and duty day reforms in favor of the airlines CEOs?

 

[satpak77]

Before you post something like this, why don't you get the complete facts behind this instead of inferring that it was a crosswind issue only?


Maybe the FAA administrator ought to put safety first for a change and decrease the volume of traffic when necessary.
But, then again, why would we expect him to do that when he stalls flight time and duty day reforms in favor of the airlines CEOs?

dude, chill. I asked "comments?" with no additional remarks by me. This means I did not take a position on the issue, simply posted it for reading and commentary by the audience. I do not (note: this is called a self admittance) have the facts nor the "real story"

 

[boeingdriver213]

What about Newark? Bradley? Phillie? I don't know the details but I'm not sure I'd want to land on a runway under construction, even in an emergency...

 

[instructordude]

How about the Hudson?

 

[vixin]

What about Newark? Bradley? Phillie? I don't know the details but I'm not sure I'd want to land on a runway under construction, even in an emergency...

Good thing they didnt land on 31L. They requested 31R.

 

[A-V-8]

I saw this on the news and they played the tape. It was presented as a heated exchange. I would hardly call it heated but would mostly call it professional. What’s the big deal? Of course now that it is on the news I am sure the FAA will revoke their certificates while they investigate leaving two normal pilots without pay.

 

[GuppyWN]

ATC has "a plan" and VERY LITTLE tolerace for pilots who don't chose to follow it. I applaud the American guys for doing it. In the end they got what they needed and ATC learned a lesson.

Gup

 

[75M]

Before you post something like this, why don't you get the complete facts behind this instead of inferring that it was a crosswind issue only?

Was it not just a crosswind issue?

 

[Raoul Duke]

Before you post something like this, why don't you get the complete facts behind this instead of inferring that it was a crosswind issue only?


Maybe the FAA administrator ought to put safety first for a change and decrease the volume of traffic when necessary.
But, then again, why would we expect him to do that when he stalls flight time and duty day reforms in favor of the airlines CEOs?

This is a great opportunity for all airlines and pilots to show exactly how broken ATC is. The facts leading to AA declaring an emergency is immaterial, all that matters is how poorly ATC handled it.

 

[be40isme]

Was it not just a crosswind issue?

Just board banter but I read they landed with around #6500. Not sure what emerg fuel on a 76 is but thats gotta be close if correct.

 

[27 driver]

There has to be more to it that crosswind issues. I would think they would divert before declaring an emergency due to excessive crosswinds. That audio did sound like it had been chopped though.

 

[UALRATT]

Before you post something like this, why don't you get the complete facts behind this instead of inferring that it was a crosswind issue only?

Why don't you familiarize yourself with the poster's intent before picking a fight. Does it really matter if it was not just crosswinds.

FAR PART 91.3 (a)
FAR PART 121.557 (a)

 

[Whine Lover]

" normal pilots "

Never met one.





YKMKR

 

[ATA For Now!]

Well done AA pilots. ATC needs to understand that WE fly the airplanes.

 

[taters]

There has to be more to it that crosswind issues. I would think they would divert before declaring an emergency due to excessive crosswinds. That audio did sound like it had been chopped though.

I agree...Id like to hear the previous 3 mins or so...that capt. sounded like he had already been a few rounds with ATC
well done

 

[samballs]

What about Newark? Bradley? Phillie? I don't know the details but I'm not sure I'd want to land on a runway under construction, even in an emergency...

not so smart are you

 

[Fins Up]

I can't imagine delcaring an emergency because of crosswinds. If the winds were out of limits and they needed a different runway, that could be accomplished without declaring an emergency. If the problem was low fuel other something else like that, that's another story. I'm based JFK and deal with these controllers all the time so I understand how they can be sometimes. But this whole thing is just weird. If you don't like the runway/crosswind configuration, that's not an emergency in my book unless there are other factors involved.

 

[Draginass]

The FAA leadership is pushing pilots to the max at JFK. They are trying to satisfy their masters at the ATA to run the same schedule regardless of environmental conditions. It's the old story, just like airline managements say: "Remember, it's safety first!" but then under the table subliminal pressure pilots to "Git 'er done." At least until something goes wrong, then they hang the pilots and waive the "Safety First" letter under their noses. This is the way the US aviation system has stumbled along for decades.

 

[Draginass]

I can't imagine delcaring an emergency because of crosswinds. If the winds were out of limits and they needed a different runway, that could be accomplished without declaring an emergency. If the problem was low fuel other something else like that, that's another story. I'm based JFK and deal with these controllers all the time so I understand how they can be sometimes. But this whole thing is just weird. If you don't like the runway/crosswind configuration, that's not an emergency in my book unless there are other factors involved.

Other factors were involved. And just try and ask for another runway from JFK approach control. You'll get the "Not only NO, but Hell NO, and don't ask again."