9e / XJ Integration

[budd]

WoW!!! Real professional post, I bet your a pleasure to fly with....

Much more than you!!! You and your ceo sucked the "PROFESSIONAL" out of us!!! Thanks!!! I bet you feel great. You don't know the meaning of "PROFESSIONAL" !!!!! Now I have to quit because I promised my wife and kids I would never commute on PNCL or work for them. You must feel good about that. 4 stick shakers on 3 different visual approaches with jumpseaters. They reported them and nothing from the mem FSDO. You want PROFESSIONAl!!!!!! All since the crash by the way. So tell me I am being " UNPROFESSIONAL"

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Much more than you!!! You and your ceo sucked the "PROFESSIONAL" out of us!!! Thanks!!! I bet you feel great. You don't know the meaning of "PROFESSIONAL" !!!!! Now I have to quit because I promised my wife and kids I would never commute on PNCL or work for them. You must feel good about that. 4 stick shakers on 3 different visual approaches with jumpseaters. They reported them and nothing from the mem FSDO. You want PROFESSIONAl!!!!!! All since the crash by the way. So tell me I am being " UNPROFESSIONAL"

I'd say this moron epitomizes the stupidity of this thread.

PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!


PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!

LOUUUD NOISES!!!!!


I just think it's hilarious that XJ and 9E are merging considering their feelings on each other.

 

[snap145]

I'd say this moron epitomizes the stupidity of this thread.

PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!


PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!

LOUUUD NOISES!!!!!


I just think it's hilarious that XJ and 9E are merging considering their feelings on each other.

on the contrary...I have experienced nothing but professionalism and acceptance from everyone on both sides of the fence so far...XJ guys...despite the efforts of management, I can tell you as a union rep from 9E...our MEC's will do the very best they can to make this as fair and painless as possible for both of us...there may be some "bad blood" over the years between the two groups...but NOONE at Pinnacle wants to see you guys "stapled" or have anyone's livlihood put at stake, you have wives children and mortgages just like we do..at the end of the day now, we will all be wearing the same colors...WE WILL NOT LET IT HAPPEN...;yes our contract may suck, but give us credit where credit is due....WE ARE RELENTLESSLY STUBBORN...heck I may even get a chance to swing gear for SEVEN someday

 

[snap145]

Much more than you!!! You and your ceo sucked the "PROFESSIONAL" out of us!!! Thanks!!! I bet you feel great. You don't know the meaning of "PROFESSIONAL" !!!!! Now I have to quit because I promised my wife and kids I would never commute on PNCL or work for them. You must feel good about that. 4 stick shakers on 3 different visual approaches with jumpseaters. They reported them and nothing from the mem FSDO. You want PROFESSIONAl!!!!!! All since the crash by the way. So tell me I am being " UNPROFESSIONAL"

u and your wife need some alone time...maybe that will calm you down...

 

[marycon]

Much more than you!!! You and your ceo sucked the "PROFESSIONAL" out of us!!! Thanks!!! I bet you feel great. You don't know the meaning of "PROFESSIONAL" !!!!! Now I have to quit because I promised my wife and kids I would never commute on PNCL or work for them. You must feel good about that. 4 stick shakers on 3 different visual approaches with jumpseaters. They reported them and nothing from the mem FSDO. You want PROFESSIONAl!!!!!! All since the crash by the way. So tell me I am being " UNPROFESSIONAL"

Hey Budd, from one Mesaba Pilot to another all I have to say is go F&*K yourself. This type of idiocy from you is not helpful or wanted or needed. Things are what they are and if you're that worried, please leave.

This mentally challenged pilot does not speak for the whole Mesaba group.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

on the contrary...I have experienced nothing but professionalism and acceptance from everyone on both sides of the fence so far...XJ guys...despite the efforts of management, I can tell you as a union rep from 9E...our MEC's will do the very best they can to make this as fair and painless as possible for both of us...there may be some "bad blood" over the years between the two groups...but NOONE at Pinnacle wants to see you guys "stapled" or have anyone's livlihood put at stake, you have wives children and mortgages just like we do..at the end of the day now, we will all be wearing the same colors...WE WILL NOT LET IT HAPPEN...;yes our contract may suck, but give us credit where credit is due....WE ARE RELENTLESSLY STUBBORN...heck I may even get a chance to swing gear for SEVEN someday

That's why I specified "in this thread." Could also be "in this forum."

This thread is just pure stupidity and nothing but flamebait and mudslinging.


I've been very impressed with the way I've seen XJ and 9E guys dealing with the situation outside of here.

 

[RJLoser]

Hey Budd, from one Mesaba Pilot to another all I have to say is go F&*K yourself. This type of idiocy from you is not helpful or wanted or needed. Things are what they are and if you're that worried, please leave.

This mentally challenged pilot does not speak for the whole Mesaba group.

No worries marycon. We have a few here from the same cave.

 

[1.3XVso]

marycon[/B];2016278]Hey Budd, from one Mesaba Pilot to another all I have to say is go F&*K yourself. This type of idiocy from you is not helpful or wanted or needed. Things are what they are and if you're that worried, please leave.

This mentally challenged pilot does not speak for the whole Mesaba group.

Maricon (marycon) thats by far the BEST screen name!!!
:laugh:

Buddd,

Brother i feel your frustration.. Welcome to cynnacle airlines.

 

[Smarta$$]

I was professional for 15 years and you and your ceo took that away!! Sorry!!

You don't know this to be true yet.

 

[atlcrashpad]

F$ck YOU!!!! Are you generals cell mate? We are ********************ed and you rub it in, you are a #1 prick. Tell that check air ******************** I am not preparing for my PC!! Pitiful is going to throw us under the bus. The class action lawsuit will prevail, but it will take years!!! CNN has a bug running now, we shall see what comes of that. alpa, mesa and pitiful suck. No external power needed from now on. APU needed for cooling!!!! Mesa will look like a saint airline when pinnacle gets done with mesaba and colgan. Wait till you have a wife kids and career you thought was secure you f3cking punk. FFFFUUUUUCCCKKKK UUUUUU!!!!!!!

Needs ta switch ta Decaf.....

 

[SEVEN]

Wow...this thread is pretty entertaining.

 

[XJohXJ]

Thanks Flav!

 

[Flyprdu]

I just heard Phil Trenary admit tonight that there really isn't any difference between the current Pinnacle contract vs. the Mesaba contract. He said that he'd consider carrying over the XJ CBA to cover ALL pilots....

Spread the word!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Apparently during the roadshow today in DTW Phildo implied that he wanted to bring only the airplanes over to Colgan and Pinnacle respectively and "offer" jobs to the XJ pilots. Implied that he doesn't plan on an SLI.

I would assume (hope) that section 1 of XJ's contract wouldn't allow that... would it?

Scope scope scope.

 

[kellwolf]

Apparently during the roadshow today in DTW Phildo implied that he wanted to bring only the airplanes over to Colgan and Pinnacle respectively and "offer" jobs to the XJ pilots. Implied that he doesn't plan on an SLI.

I would assume (hope) that section 1 of XJ's contract wouldn't allow that... would it?

Scope scope scope.

XJ guys correct me if I'm wrong, but the scope section of the contract says that if the airplanes go, the acquiring airline must offer employment to the pilots. Now, it doesn't say WHAT kind of employment, so Phil may be using a loophole here to get the XJ guys cheaper. The real kicker comes in LOA 6 which dealt with either 9E or XJ growing at the expense of the other during the Saab/Jetstream days. That has provisions for at least keeping SOME seniority. Here's hoping something FAIR can be accomplished for everyone rather than management either getting pilots for cheap 1st year pay or half what they should be getting.

 

[snap145]

Apparently during the roadshow today in DTW Phildo implied that he wanted to bring only the airplanes over to Colgan and Pinnacle respectively and "offer" jobs to the XJ pilots. Implied that he doesn't plan on an SLI.

I would assume (hope) that section 1 of XJ's contract wouldn't allow that... would it?

Scope scope scope.

This is not true..even if he were crazy enough to try it, neither XJ or 9E's MEC would let this happen...we would riot in the streets before that would happen..

XJ guys my understanding is the biggest problem we are gonna have here is within the "fragmentation" language in your contract, plz correct me if im wrong and fill in the blanks here...does this "fragmentation" not state that you are in no way shape or form protected on the jets only protected on your seat and on the list...I hope this is not true, bc unfortunatley this would be the perfect loophole for management to try and cutthroat both of us...can someone from XJ explain this "fragmentation" language to me?

 

[xjlifer]

All airlines follow the 90/10 rule XJ and 9E are no different.
The 10% probably provide most of the post's here.

No worries marycon. We have a few here from the same cave.

 

[altimaklr]

I'm sure mgmt would love to have all the jets goto 9E, basically upgrade all the current FO's and new-hire into the FO seat, creating a very junior workforce. Colgan would be more senior but their pay is so low, it doesn't really matter and most XJ pilots would leave ASAP anyway.

 

[SEVEN]

most XJ pilots would leave ASAP anyway.

Yup...

 

[westbound]

I'm sure mgmt would love to have all the jets goto 9E, basically upgrade all the current FO's and new-hire into the FO seat, creating a very junior workforce. Colgan would be more senior but their pay is so low, it doesn't really matter and most XJ pilots would leave ASAP anyway.

I couldn't imagine that happening for the extra training cost short term would be astronomical. Isn't that what management looks at ...the short term.....................

 

[1.3XVso]

I guess they got bored of the T-shirt give away but never fear COFFEE MUG WITH MESABA/COLGAN/PINNCLE comming near you.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Yup...

Dude shut up you're an embarrassment to us.

 

[buscap]

It's just great news!!!

http://memphis.bizjournals.com/memphis/stories/2010/07/12/story5.html?b=1278907200^3618041


When Pinnacle Airlines Corp. purchased Mesaba Aviation Inc. for $62 million, it further tied its star to Delta Airlines Inc. while making itself one of the largest regional airline companies in the country.
Pinnacle , which is also the parent company of wholly owned subsidiaries Pinnacle Airlines Inc. and Colgan Air Inc., increased its total fleet from 202 aircraft to 297.
The Mesaba merger gives Pinnacle 34% of the Delta Connection business, second only to Utah-based Skywest Inc., which has 36%.
“This really further strengthens our long-term relationship with Delta,” says Pinnacle president and CEO Phil Trenary.
The move also raised Pinnacle’s overall employment from 5,928 to 7,700.
“Regional flying has been and will remain a key component of our network, but we’ve long believed that it’s not necessary for us to own these assets to derive any value from them,” says Delta spokesman Kristin Baur.
Mesaba will continue to operate its headquarters in Eagan, Minn., under its current management team. Delta financed the $62 million purchase over a five-year term with a 12.5% interest rate.
Pinnacle was also attracted to the transaction because Mesaba has no debt.
“We’re inheriting a company that has a very strong balance sheet,” Peter Hunt, Pinnacle’s chief financial officer, says.
The Mesaba acquisition could increase Pinnacle’s annual revenue by $200 million.
“We do view these as very positive cash flow generators for the company,” Hunt says.
The purchase will mean annual contract cash flows of $12 million to $18 million through 2022, excluding interest on the seller-financed debt.
“The contract cash flows will be a little lower as we absorb integration costs,” Hunt says.
Over time, the company plans to consolidate all regional jet operations under the Pinnacle Airlines brand and turbo-prop operations under Mesaba.
The move also gives Pinnacle more purchasing power with third-party vendors and could reduce redundant inventory investments and training costs.
“This gives us the scale to operate efficiently,” Hunt says.
Pinnacle Airlines Corp.


Read more: Pinnacle set to soar with Mesaba aboard - Memphis Business Journal

 

[Iflyamouse]

You know who will really get screwed ... the xx pilots who were at Express (Pinnacle) back in 1997 when Mesaba assumed all of the "North" flying and Express was relegated to Memphis only. If I remember right, Express pilots were offered 1/2 their longevity if they chose to come to Mesaba (someone remind me exactly what that deal was ... all I remember is that it was a crappy one). I don't remember how many took that offer, (any Mesaba pilots know the answer to that one?). Now they get to go back to Pinnacle (their original company) and lose even more seniority!

Ya, mergers are awesome!

 

[Iflyamouse]

It's just great news!!!

“Regional flying has been and will remain a key component of our network, but we’ve long believed that it’s not necessary for us to own these assets to derive any value from them,” says Delta spokesman Kristin Baur.

Her idea of "long" is obviously less than 9 since it was only that many years ago that DAL spent 3 BILLION dollars on Comair and ASA.

 

[SEVEN]

Dude shut up you're an embarrassment to us.

Someone's gotta tell it like it is. I'll shut up when I choose. You don't like it, too bad...stay off this forum then.

 

[kellwolf]

You know who will really get screwed ... the xx pilots who were at Express (Pinnacle) back in 1997 when Mesaba assumed all of the "North" flying and Express was relegated to Memphis only. If I remember right, Express pilots were offered 1/2 their longevity if they chose to come to Mesaba (someone remind me exactly what that deal was ... all I remember is that it was a crappy one). I don't remember how many took that offer, (any Mesaba pilots know the answer to that one?). Now they get to go back to Pinnacle (their original company) and lose even more seniority!

Ya, mergers are awesome!

1 for 2 if you were on the Saab and 1 for 3 if you were on the Jetstream. I believe all FOs that went were essentially stapled. So, if you were a 6 year Saab CA at Express, you became a 3 year guy at Mesaba. If you were a 6 year Jetstream CA at Express, you became a 2 year guy at Mesaba. That little bit of legalise is still around in XJ's contract under LOA 6.

 

[Butters]

You know who will really get screwed ... the xx pilots who were at Express (Pinnacle) back in 1997 when Mesaba assumed all of the "North" flying and Express was relegated to Memphis only. If I remember right, Express pilots were offered 1/2 their longevity if they chose to come to Mesaba (someone remind me exactly what that deal was ... all I remember is that it was a crappy one). I don't remember how many took that offer, (any Mesaba pilots know the answer to that one?). Now they get to go back to Pinnacle (their original company) and lose even more seniority!

Ya, mergers are awesome!

The difference is that the situation you describe wasn't a merger. Those guys could have stayed at Express and gone to MEM. I don't blame them for not wanting to move, but I hope no one brings that up as an example of what should/might happen. Mesaba didn't owe them a thing when that happened. To give them any seniority was a gift. (I'm not trying to sound like a harda**, that's just the way it is... Some of those guys are really cool and I felt for them).

Mesaba has lost planes and flying to other ALPA carriers before and no one offered us jobs. I'm not whining, just saying it's not apples to apples here.

This HAS to be a merger using DOH, relative seniority, and whatever else but it can't be a "X for 1" kind of thing or there will be a riot. This time, everyone is in the cess pool together.

 

[SEVEN]

The difference is that the situation you describe wasn't a merger. Those guys could have stayed at Express and gone to MEM. I don't blame them for not wanting to move, but I hope no one brings that up as an example of what should/might happen. Mesaba didn't owe them a thing when that happened. To give them any seniority was a gift. (I'm not trying to sound like a harda**, that's just the way it is... Some of those guys are really cool and I felt for them).

Mesaba has lost planes and flying to other ALPA carriers before and no one offered us jobs. I'm not whining, just saying it's not apples to apples here.

This HAS to be a merger using DOH, relative seniority, and whatever else but it can't be a "X for 1" kind of thing or there will be a riot. This time, everyone is in the cess pool together.

You're exactly right. The Express/Mesaba LOA 31 was different than this current situation. In essence, the LOA states that Express/Pinnacle would get 2 to 1 in the event a pilot moves over to the other company. Our present situation is an aquisition which LOA 31 does not apply. The 9E ALPA DTW FO Rep who is telling this like it's going to happen is wrong. This is a whole different ball game. There will be NO 2-1. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[memplt]

You guys need to see the weekly, daily message, posted in MEM and MSP dated July 9, 2010. The way I read it, PNCL management believes that the Mesaba jets are an "asset," that will be tranferred to Pinnacle. They see Mesaba and Colgan as being merged, people and assets.