Stayed in a Crowne Plaza last night. $16 breakfast buffet, $4.50 draft, with no discounts at either. Van won't take you anywhere, and there is nothing in walking distance. Even the wifi cost (supposedly waived under our contract). I need the extra $1.00 an hour to afford a cup of soup.
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CoATP
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It happens BEFORE pref bid awards the line so there are no trips to cover. It basicallay lets you start or end a vacation period (normally sun-sat) two days early or late. Pref bid shows that time as unavailable but can butt a trip up against your vacation and cost you another day (or two) if you commute.
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What the heck city was that? The ONLY city that I have been to on the 900 that says they won't waive wifi is DCA (and even that is hit and miss for enforcement) and the van will take you back to catch the metro which gets you about 5 times as far as you should be going on an overnight.
Now YUL, yea that place SUCKED!!! but we haven't stayed there in quite a while besides that place was normally highspeeds so who cares about internet/breakfast.
Considering I spend half my nights/month in hotels, I prefer to stay in as nice as possible...and personally I would have given up a $1/hr to stay in the westins....Also consider this, the company wants us to treat our customers well, dress well,...we should expect thwe same from them by putting us up someplace other than the Pear in STL or the Jorganson in HLN...
Just my 2 cents...
My favorite hotel ever at XJ, was the LaQuinta in TRI. They bent over backwards to take care of us. Rooms were clean, van would take you anywhere, they would toss you the keys to lock up the pool at night, and breakfast rocked, it was a great hotel.
The whole point of this hotel diversion, was to tell an ASA guy that I don't care if their hotel section was better than our TA. I guess we all have different expectations, and mine evidently is lower than some others. If you feel that strongly that this section is weak, than vote no. Or let your reps know, so they can focus more on that in the future. For me, I can live with the current language.
Theadjack over, I'm out.
The whole point of this hotel diversion, was to tell an ASA guy that I don't care if their hotel section was better than our TA. I guess we all have different expectations, and mine evidently is lower than some others. If you feel that strongly that this section is weak, than vote no. Or let your reps know, so they can focus more on that in the future. For me, I can live with the current language.
Theadjack over, I'm out.
Remember how we almost lost that hotel during the shamruptcy because Mesaba wouldn't pay them? Ahhhh, the good old days. I remember telling the driver at Hattiesburg to leave us at the hotel if he wanted because he wasn't getting paid either. That guy was great.
xjgearbtch
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Ok I'll play devils advocated here. Having spent more nights (highspeeder) than a person should, it didn't bother me one bit. It was walking distance to the airport, though we got a warm cab ride. The rooms were surgical room quality clean everytime. Free donuts and coffee and the morning. A pleasant chat with the owner before he headed out to drive the local school bus/us fly out. I'd much rather support a hard working local mom&pop hotel then a corporate blackhole. Besides it's in Houghton Michigan, last I checked Sheraton and W hotels don't have an establishment up there.
PS W Hotel on Lakeshore drive, Chicago is the bomb. LOL it'll blow up your checking account!
I like the compromise of a hampton or holiday inn express...
Coffee is out, free breakfast, free internet, rooms are clean, the gym is in good working order, and a 24 hour shuttle. I have stayed in plenty of amazing hotels (not work related) and I still get bothered spending $5 for a bottle of water and $20 for 24 hours of internet. It's nice to have a hotel bar, but frankly I would prefer to just take the shuttle or walk to a nearby restaurant and get a real meal on a long overnight.
The Howard Johnson, days inn, sleep inn types need to be removed. Anything that has "Rooms Available" PAINTED on the side of the van is the first sign that things aren't as they should be.
Favorite hotel- Hampton Inn TYS.
Coffee is out, free breakfast, free internet, rooms are clean, the gym is in good working order, and a 24 hour shuttle. I have stayed in plenty of amazing hotels (not work related) and I still get bothered spending $5 for a bottle of water and $20 for 24 hours of internet. It's nice to have a hotel bar, but frankly I would prefer to just take the shuttle or walk to a nearby restaurant and get a real meal on a long overnight.
The Howard Johnson, days inn, sleep inn types need to be removed. Anything that has "Rooms Available" PAINTED on the side of the van is the first sign that things aren't as they should be.
Favorite hotel- Hampton Inn TYS.
Thanks. I think it's 3 days though right? Instead of starting Sunday you can slide it forward to start Wednesday or back to start thursday.
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On a 15 hour overnight you should receive about $22 in per diem, which will cover that expense. I rather pay $12 for a real breakfast buffet at a real restaurant that has actual food, rather than 2 week old carbo-loading free breakfasts at crappy motels.
Hampton Inns are usually fine because they are very strict about maintaining a certain service level mandated by Hilton. Still, if you compare to Skywest/ASA/Xjet/Comair, they often stay at Embassy Suites and Doubletree, which are also Hilton brands and ALSO have free REAL breakfast, happy hour, restaurant/bar, and wifi.
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Agreed. If we had better hotel language, it wouldn't be such a struggle to get the hotel in HLN changed. Half of our life is spent sleeping away from home. I agree with alot of what you usually say Murf, but this is one subject that I feel is much more important than we give it credit for. BTW, I see CMR/Xjet/ASA at alot of our same hotels. I don't think we are the only ones slumming it at times.
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really? Hotels? We're talking about hotels?
You guys make it sound like you're in these places for 2-3 weeks at a time on vacation with your families, and you need more local attractions to go see.
personally, I would rather take a dump hotel (because there really is no difference, they're all filthy sexed out sex chambers) for a higher paycheck.
You guys make it sound like you're in these places for 2-3 weeks at a time on vacation with your families, and you need more local attractions to go see.
personally, I would rather take a dump hotel (because there really is no difference, they're all filthy sexed out sex chambers) for a higher paycheck.
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Murf, I agree with you on many things and though I respect and understand your views I definitely do not share them on this contract.
We had an opportunity to use the considerable leverage of Pinnacle's expensive health care package to entice a decent contract out of the negotiations. We missed the mark by a very, very long shot. Speed was the priority here, not quality, as evidenced by all the back-patting about 102 days in the emails and the road show(s).
1. Someone mentioned earlier about "be careful talking about accrual of sick time since it leads to the best short-term disability blah-blah". Know what? We all need to put down the union kool-aid for a moment. To compare anything we have with the majors is ridiculous, especially only when convenient.
The reason the majors don't have the same short-term disability is simply because they don't need it. They have a sick policy that actually accrues a reasonable amount of hours per month. 36 hours per year?!? That is a steaming pile.
2. Extensions and Junior manning. I love how the MEC is patting themselves on the back about the 200% pay like they won some sort of victory (though 100% DH pay is out of the question). As though paying us 200% will somehow be prohibitively expensive and stop the extensions/junior manning. You must be kidding. They are guilty, as are many pilots, of looking at numbers as they appply to their own life/world and not that of a company. Paying us 200%, 400% and so on is still cheaper than hiring more pilots. Mostly, this is because we make peanuts.
For those kids who still live in their parent's basement the 200% pay is great. Bully for them and the new PS3 games they get to buy. For those with a family, an overnight extension can mean child care issues and major expenses. I, and many others, came to the airlines for an actual "schedule". If I wanted random changes to my flying I would've stayed in corporate.
We are giving management permission to continue to run an airline understaffed. This is cheaper for them.
Finally, congratulations on how fast the negotiations took place. It shows.
Vote NO.
We had an opportunity to use the considerable leverage of Pinnacle's expensive health care package to entice a decent contract out of the negotiations. We missed the mark by a very, very long shot. Speed was the priority here, not quality, as evidenced by all the back-patting about 102 days in the emails and the road show(s).
1. Someone mentioned earlier about "be careful talking about accrual of sick time since it leads to the best short-term disability blah-blah". Know what? We all need to put down the union kool-aid for a moment. To compare anything we have with the majors is ridiculous, especially only when convenient.
The reason the majors don't have the same short-term disability is simply because they don't need it. They have a sick policy that actually accrues a reasonable amount of hours per month. 36 hours per year?!? That is a steaming pile.
2. Extensions and Junior manning. I love how the MEC is patting themselves on the back about the 200% pay like they won some sort of victory (though 100% DH pay is out of the question). As though paying us 200% will somehow be prohibitively expensive and stop the extensions/junior manning. You must be kidding. They are guilty, as are many pilots, of looking at numbers as they appply to their own life/world and not that of a company. Paying us 200%, 400% and so on is still cheaper than hiring more pilots. Mostly, this is because we make peanuts.
For those kids who still live in their parent's basement the 200% pay is great. Bully for them and the new PS3 games they get to buy. For those with a family, an overnight extension can mean child care issues and major expenses. I, and many others, came to the airlines for an actual "schedule". If I wanted random changes to my flying I would've stayed in corporate.
We are giving management permission to continue to run an airline understaffed. This is cheaper for them.
Finally, congratulations on how fast the negotiations took place. It shows.
Vote NO.
We've flown and talked many times Raskal, and I respect your position. I see pros and cons to this TA, and am not totally sold that is "superior" or "industry leading."
Good or Bad, I am in a much different position than yourself, mainly because of seniority. Although it seems selfish, we all have to vote based on how it affects us personally, then live with the majorities decision. However this gets voted, I am ok with the outcome.
I've tried to stay away from selling or defending this TA one way or the other since it was finalized. My posts lately have been against the ASA types that inject whether the deal is good or not, and that their contract is better or not. It really does not involve them. Vote your heart and have a clean conscience, I will NOT be one to have a "Don't blame me..." sticker, no matter how the vote goes.
Good or Bad, I am in a much different position than yourself, mainly because of seniority. Although it seems selfish, we all have to vote based on how it affects us personally, then live with the majorities decision. However this gets voted, I am ok with the outcome.
I've tried to stay away from selling or defending this TA one way or the other since it was finalized. My posts lately have been against the ASA types that inject whether the deal is good or not, and that their contract is better or not. It really does not involve them. Vote your heart and have a clean conscience, I will NOT be one to have a "Don't blame me..." sticker, no matter how the vote goes.
I agree we should take LESS health care, most don't really use it, How about LESS DH pay..you should just put avoid DH in your PBS bid so thats your own fault, How about we totally dump our training language, talk about something we harldy use (twice a year for captains and one a year for FO's). I TOTALLY agree with you, everthing should be about pay/hr. I'm sure the 2nd year SWA pilots making $95/hr all get crappy hotels, crappy health care, and crappy training...
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On this note I certainly agree, No "don't blame me" either. Whatever happens, the majority decides and we move on. The important thing is that we are unified with the next step.
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