9E Wins Race to Bottom

[Indy319FA]

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that cracks me up, from your ac experience list I would of thought you would know better

Yep I know better. I know you can't run the 50 seaters in a branded operation and make any money. Had FlyI been flying 700s or 900s instead of 200s it could have been very different. Go ahead and laugh. If DL thinks they are going to strongar Akin like they have everyone else, Akin may end up with the last laugh.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

You need to change your "What does Paul Foley do" to "What does Tom Wychor do". . .

I know it's out of date, but I don't have any stickers like that to scan.

 

[gojo]

Yep I know better. I know you can't run the 50 seaters in a branded operation and make any money. Had FlyI been flying 700s or 900s instead of 200s it could have been very different. Go ahead and laugh. If DL thinks they are going to strongar Akin like they have everyone else, Akin may end up with the last laugh.

Ha ha ha, I don't think there's anyone more shrewd or ruthless than Delta's management team. There's morals and ethics at their finest. There are those that will say it's just business, and everyone's doing it. It's sad but true. In this business one must at least do what their competitor is doing or do it better or their out of business. Delta's giving every other airline a lesson on how to be cutthroat.

 

[General Lee]

Ding ding ding we have a winner. The MRJ will allow Skywest to run a profitable stand alone operation if needed. Akin and company aren't stupid. They've seen what happened to Comair (hostile buyout by DL), and ACA/Fly I and Express Jet when they tried to run stand alone operations with 50 seaters. Skywest has a vehicle to get rid of the 50 seaters and replace them with aircraft they can run in a branded operation at a profit, if needed. Delta better be careful, because unlike Comair in 98, they don't have the leverage for force a hostile takeover of Skywest and if it gets nasty, they will end up with a competent management team running a well resourced airline that will have the capacity to give them a very difficult time.

Ummmmmm, no. How long did Indy Air last "stand alone?" (You had a front row seat, too). They had plenty of cash, but everyone else gave them the squeeze. Also, if they tried that, they could lose their feed contracts, or guaranteed money. Not likely to happen, and very foolish if it did. Indy Air was the perfect example. Also, tell me where there is room for a "new" airline to set up shop and not "bother" a legacy or LCC? The city would have to be big enough too to support the new venture. Indy Air tried IAD, and still couldn't survive long. Also, you don't seem to understand what other things a new venture would need, like reservation systems, advertising, and all of the other things they currently don't have themselves. Southwest STILL doesn't have IT systems that can handle INTL reservations, they have to use AirTran's system and planes for INTL ops. It's kinda complicated...... Unlikely.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Airscrew]

imbosols..

Ironic...

 

[big shacks]

true..my spelling is horrible, but the stupid comments about a jumpseat war is BS.

 

[79%N1]

So is taking a 40% paycut or voting to drop the bar on the industry even though your job will be gone whence you do. Just sayin'.

 

[Clutch]

So is taking a 40% paycut or voting to drop the bar on the industry even though your job will be gone whence you do. Just sayin'.

Have you heard those MFers on the radio? Half of them speak broken Spanglish.. I'm sure most of them are just happy to be in America.

 

[big shacks]

News for ya buddy.. You work at a regional.. There is no ball to drop! Once you hit your 10 year at a regional.. It's just a reminder how effed you are.

 

[JettBoii]

The only thing ALPA does with the regional pilots is take their money.
The regionals do what their mainline partners tell them to do.

 

[JumpersAway]

Is anyone with me in thinking we (ExpressJet) need to be marketing a better option for PQ pilots here, at our airline, than what they will have with this. We ought to be combatting this horrid T/A with job protections here, along with pay. Hey- give the guys a job, and do it without an interview or probationary pay. At least that way we hold the line at the regional level within DCI, and our fellow ALPA pilots aren't dumped on the street to lose currency. This option buys time, and it cements a more solid future for us all.

Clutch- shut the hell up already!

 

[Clutch]

Fuvk that...

 

[belliott]

Is anyone with me in thinking we (ExpressJet) need to be marketing a better option for PQ pilots here, at our airline, than what they will have with this. We ought to be combatting this horrid T/A with job protections here, along with pay. Hey- give the guys a job, and do it without an interview or probationary pay. At least that way we hold the line at the regional level within DCI, and our fellow ALPA pilots aren't dumped on the street to lose currency. This option buys time, and it cements a more solid future for us all.

Clutch- shut the hell up already!

I dare say that if any other regional out there were to offer jobs to 9E pilots with even a 2:1 longevity offer for pay... not seniority within new said company... Pinnacle would be void of employees within a month. 6th year pay to 3rd year at most any other company would hurt but not nearly as much as this TA. Never going to happen but hell a guy can dream right?

 

[JustaNumber]

... Delta WILL be next targeting ASA/Expressjet, then will go after Skywest. Delta wants Compass/Gojet costs from ALL its partners and has all the leverage to get it.

...and if Xjet/SkyWest refuse, Delta will...what, give several hundred new aircraft to GoJet? They couldn't even handle 8 lousy new planes. I heard "from a guy" that all 8, beginning with N391CA, are currently sitting in mothballs in the desert, because they couldn't find enough pilots to fly them. If this is true, Delta may not have the leverage it used to have.

 

[General Lee]

...and if Xjet/SkyWest refuse, Delta will...what, give several hundred new aircraft to GoJet? They couldn't even handle 8 lousy new planes. I heard "from a guy" that all 8, beginning with N391CA, are currently sitting in mothballs in the desert, because they couldn't find enough pilots to fly them. If this is true, Delta may not have the leverage it used to have.

It sure seems like they have been in control since the PNCL BK. You don't think they have multiple plans? These are the people who surprised everyone by buying a refinery. They think outside the box. That can be good or bad.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JumpersAway]

It sure seems like they have been in control since the PNCL BK. You don't think they have multiple plans? These are the people who surprised everyone by buying a refinery. They think outside the box. That can be good or bad.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General, I see what you are saying, but I'd like to point out that DAL's "outside the box" thinking has been done, and executed before. Republic Airlines (not the regional, the airline that is a part of the new Delta bloodstream) had a refinery in the 80's. They sold it just before merging with Northwest.

I'm honestly thinking that ExpressJet will become less and less of a Delta Connection carrier, and may well become heavily entrenched in the new AA/USAirways and United. That will be interesting to see, expecially given that DAL was extremely unhappy about our small agreement with AA out of DFW.

 

[e=mc2]

What does Tom Wycor Do - Absolutely Nothing!

 

[JustaNumber]

It sure seems like they have been in control since the PNCL BK.

Word on the street is that when Delta ruthlessly tried to save a few bucks by sending 8 700s from Xjet to GoJet, Jerry used what he had leaned about ruthlessness from Delta, and bought up all the 700 sim time in North America. Now, instead of Delta saving a few bucks (at the cost of destroying quite a few careers), Delta is being denied ALL of the revenue from those 8 planes.

I'm not trying to get into a contest of "my CEO is a bigger bada$$ than your CEO" (because, frankly, I'm disgusted by all the underhanded behavior here), I'm just saying that the balance of power is changing.

This is a classic case of domestic abuse. When you beat your domestic partner enough, call it karma, the natural laws of the universe, or simply "good goes around but so does bad" (how ironic), eventually your partner will grow a set and refuse to put out in between the beatings.

 

[Plainsman]

Dick Anderson sitting at Woolman's desk, acting like a used car salesman on that safety video is classic. What a low class pos. Not too far removed from Mullins.

 

[centralpilot]

Word on the street is that when Delta ruthlessly tried to save a few bucks by sending 8 700s from Xjet to GoJet, Jerry used what he had leaned about ruthlessness from Delta, and bought up all the 700 sim time in North America. Now, instead of Delta saving a few bucks (at the cost of destroying quite a few careers), Delta is being denied ALL of the revenue from those 8 planes.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Do you really think Jerry would burn money on sim time just to block a competitor? How do you think Delta would react if SkyWest was really sabotaging another one of Delta's providers?

Regarding the airplanes, I've seen GoJet aircraft in Delta Connection livery as recently as last week in RDU and STL. They are most certainly not parked in the desert and I doubt they are having any real staffing trouble. If GoJet couldn't handle our 8 (+4 from SkyWest) why did Delta give them 10 more from the ComAir shutdown?

These rumors just sound like wishful thinking.