9E Wins Race to Bottom

[sinkrate]

UUUGGGHHHH!!! Nice to see ALPA raising the white flag like that. So far, ALPA has taken $1634.30 from me this year. I darn well better get better answers to my question of how this will effect the rest of the regionals than: " delta will be targeting the others next so it wont matter".

SHAME ON YOU ALPA!!

An 'airline' today is not the same business or in the same industry as an 'airline' of twenty years ago. Today they are a brand manager that contracts out as much as possible - including capacity. Delta is leading the industry with this. Their agreement with Alaska and purchase of Virgin Atlantic is one step short of the capacity purchase agrements they use for 'regional' feed. ALPA has no effective answer for this. Any effective answer will involve letting CA's go directly to the employer willing to pay the most for a CA. If carriers are going to award flying to the lowest bidder pilots should be able to take their experience to the highest bidder and be paid for it - as a CA. This means abandoning the seniority system and we all know ALPA will never give that up.

 

[big shacks]

Bunch of worthless regional imbosols..threatening a Jumpseat war.

 

[Indy319FA]

Only when the DL contract renegotiations come up again could this be a problem, and interestingly, it lines up with when the first MRJ deliveries start. :bomb:

Ding ding ding we have a winner. The MRJ will allow Skywest to run a profitable stand alone operation if needed. Akin and company aren't stupid. They've seen what happened to Comair (hostile buyout by DL), and ACA/Fly I and Express Jet when they tried to run stand alone operations with 50 seaters. Skywest has a vehicle to get rid of the 50 seaters and replace them with aircraft they can run in a branded operation at a profit, if needed. Delta better be careful, because unlike Comair in 98, they don't have the leverage for force a hostile takeover of Skywest and if it gets nasty, they will end up with a competent management team running a well resourced airline that will have the capacity to give them a very difficult time.

 

[PCL_128]

nevermind

 

[Monster Buck]

Ding ding ding we have a winner. The MRJ will allow Skywest to run a profitable stand alone operation if needed. Akin and company aren't stupid. They've seen what happened to Comair (hostile buyout by DL), and ACA/Fly I and Express Jet when they tried to run stand alone operations with 50 seaters. Skywest has a vehicle to get rid of the 50 seaters and replace them with aircraft they can run in a branded operation at a profit, if needed. Delta better be careful, because unlike Comair in 98, they don't have the leverage for force a hostile takeover of Skywest and if it gets nasty, they will end up with a competent management team running a well resourced airline that will have the capacity to give them a very difficult time.

that cracks me up, from your ac experience list I would of thought you would know better

 

[Indy319FA]

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that cracks me up, from your ac experience list I would of thought you would know better

Yep I know better. I know you can't run the 50 seaters in a branded operation and make any money. Had FlyI been flying 700s or 900s instead of 200s it could have been very different. Go ahead and laugh. If DL thinks they are going to strongar Akin like they have everyone else, Akin may end up with the last laugh.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

You need to change your "What does Paul Foley do" to "What does Tom Wychor do". . .

I know it's out of date, but I don't have any stickers like that to scan.

 

[gojo]

Yep I know better. I know you can't run the 50 seaters in a branded operation and make any money. Had FlyI been flying 700s or 900s instead of 200s it could have been very different. Go ahead and laugh. If DL thinks they are going to strongar Akin like they have everyone else, Akin may end up with the last laugh.

Ha ha ha, I don't think there's anyone more shrewd or ruthless than Delta's management team. There's morals and ethics at their finest. There are those that will say it's just business, and everyone's doing it. It's sad but true. In this business one must at least do what their competitor is doing or do it better or their out of business. Delta's giving every other airline a lesson on how to be cutthroat.

 

[General Lee]

Ding ding ding we have a winner. The MRJ will allow Skywest to run a profitable stand alone operation if needed. Akin and company aren't stupid. They've seen what happened to Comair (hostile buyout by DL), and ACA/Fly I and Express Jet when they tried to run stand alone operations with 50 seaters. Skywest has a vehicle to get rid of the 50 seaters and replace them with aircraft they can run in a branded operation at a profit, if needed. Delta better be careful, because unlike Comair in 98, they don't have the leverage for force a hostile takeover of Skywest and if it gets nasty, they will end up with a competent management team running a well resourced airline that will have the capacity to give them a very difficult time.

Ummmmmm, no. How long did Indy Air last "stand alone?" (You had a front row seat, too). They had plenty of cash, but everyone else gave them the squeeze. Also, if they tried that, they could lose their feed contracts, or guaranteed money. Not likely to happen, and very foolish if it did. Indy Air was the perfect example. Also, tell me where there is room for a "new" airline to set up shop and not "bother" a legacy or LCC? The city would have to be big enough too to support the new venture. Indy Air tried IAD, and still couldn't survive long. Also, you don't seem to understand what other things a new venture would need, like reservation systems, advertising, and all of the other things they currently don't have themselves. Southwest STILL doesn't have IT systems that can handle INTL reservations, they have to use AirTran's system and planes for INTL ops. It's kinda complicated...... Unlikely.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Airscrew]

imbosols..

Ironic...

 

[big shacks]

true..my spelling is horrible, but the stupid comments about a jumpseat war is BS.

 

[79%N1]

So is taking a 40% paycut or voting to drop the bar on the industry even though your job will be gone whence you do. Just sayin'.

 

[Clutch]

So is taking a 40% paycut or voting to drop the bar on the industry even though your job will be gone whence you do. Just sayin'.

Have you heard those MFers on the radio? Half of them speak broken Spanglish.. I'm sure most of them are just happy to be in America.

 

[big shacks]

News for ya buddy.. You work at a regional.. There is no ball to drop! Once you hit your 10 year at a regional.. It's just a reminder how effed you are.

 

[JettBoii]

The only thing ALPA does with the regional pilots is take their money.
The regionals do what their mainline partners tell them to do.