737 Crash Near Athens

[habubuaza]

what were the other two? air france and what?

http://politics.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050806/wl_afp/italytunisiaair_050806231749

 

[VampyreGTX]

Yes it is, and from what I understand they reported a cabin pressure problem to ATC, so someone should've definately had a mask on.

I believe they did, one of the F-16 pilots reported seeing the F/O slumped in the seat with the mask on.

 

[Swede]

Depressurization calls for donning the mask, checking interphone, then executing an emergency descent. That's why I think the O2 system was faulty in some way.

Useful consciousness times in this scenario are very short, just a few seconds. I think everyone with an ATP should do a chamber ride, not that it would have saved these guys, but to understand just how fast you've got to don in this situation.

 

[falcon20driver]

Maybe trimming nose down should be the first step in ED than, not the mask, hit the trim than get the mask, might have saved these guys.

 

[NYCPilot]

The news is now reporting that the person claiming to have received a text mssg. from his cousin was a hoax. He has been arrested.

It seemed strange that a text mssg. would have been able to be transmitted at such a high altitude. My only conclusion intially was that the text mssg. may have been stored in the cell phone and automatically sent once at a lower altitude, prior to the crash.

 

[Otterjock]

The news is now reporting that the person claiming to have received a text mssg. from his cousin was a hoax. He has been arrested.

It seemed strange that a text mssg. would have been able to be transmitted at such a high altitude. My only conclusion intially was that the text mssg. may have been stored in the cell phone and automatically sent once at a lower altitude, prior to the crash.

Turns out the guy that supposedly received the text message was arrested for disseminating false information. It was a hoax

 

[Jmajoris]

Maybe trimming nose down should be the first step in ED than, not the mask, hit the trim than get the mask, might have saved these guys.

Or maybe just dialing in a lower altitude for the AP???

 

[falcon20driver]

Maybe trimming nose down should be the first step in ED than, not the mask, hit the trim than get the mask, might have saved these guys.

Or maybe just dialing in a lower altitude for the AP???

Dialing a new altitude takes a couple of seconds, you might be unconsious before you get the altitude you want in there, might only get 250 in there instead of something low enough to regain consious. Kicking the autopilot off by hitting nose down trim takes no time, a half a second at most, and if you do pass out you might come to passing 10,000' or so and get the plane back.

Besides, you could hit the trim and go for the mask at the same time.

 

[Pugh]

They said the F/O was slumped over the yoke. Would that cause enough of a force to push it forward and make it go into CWS mode?

 

[YGBSM]

Maybe trimming nose down should be the first step in ED than, not the mask, hit the trim than get the mask, might have saved these guys.

I believe this falls under the old tried and true R&D methodology of "getting creative", or as they used to say back in the brown shoe days, "makin' sh!t up".

 

[falcon20driver]

They said the F/O was slumped over the yoke. Would that cause enough of a force to push it forward and make it go into CWS mode?

I don't know, I don't even know if hitting the trim will knock the autopilot off in a 737-300, it does kick the autopilot off in the Falcon 20. Getting the nose down should be the 1st priority in an emergency descent is something a Falcon instructor told me during training and it seems like it makes sense, anyway you can hit the trim with one hand and reach for the mask with the other at the same time.

 

[EagleRJ]

-The reinforced cockpit doors are only on aircraft that fly into the US and some European countries. A domestic Greek airline would not have been required to have a new door.

-Some passengers were alive and moving around, while others were frozen solid? I'll go ahead and raise the B.S. flag on that.

-It was a reletively short flight from Cyprus to Athens, and the plane was only cruising at 34,000'. TUC for a healthy adult is almost a minute there, and it isn't that cold.

-Some foreign airlines that do not operate into the US or Europe employ VERY inexperienced First Officers. They frequently do not ever fly the aircraft, nor do they have any say whatsoever in the cockpit. The only reason they are there is ICAO regulations.
I wonder if the FO's response to the flashing lights, Master Warning, and cabin altitude horn was "Captain, get up here! Captain? What should I do?".

 

[falcon20driver]

The CVR and FDR should be interesting.

 

[YGBSM]

I wouldn't quite say frozen solid in an hour and a half is too unreasonable at the air temp at 35K'. Given standard temps, and estimating 30*C at the surface, standard decrease in temp would mean approximatly -40* at altitude. I don't see it taking all that long for a human body exposed to that temp to freeze.

I see that you also fly the 182 RG. Now that you mention it, I have noticed the same temperatures at this time of year at FL 350. Very suspicious.

 

[Donsa320]

-The reinforced cockpit doors are only on aircraft that fly into the US and some European countries. A domestic Greek airline would not have been required to have a new door.

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They had recently bought the airplane from a German carrier, would that change your mind about the door?