$5000 sign on bonus at Eagle

[Gators]

You do know that Eagle is giving all new hires an ATP and type rating in the airplane correct?

New hires are getting a full type during initial?

 

[BoilerUP]

The cost of doing business for many operations such as Eagle will eventually doom this business model or the entire operation altogether. Many businesses are unable to continue with such high business costs.

Very possible...but giving newhires an ATP/type rating isn't going to be the financial tipping point.

 

[GLEXPilot]

New hires are getting a full type during initial?

Yes, and all their current FOs will be getting them as well.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

I never quite understood why regionals never widely adopted the practice of issuing types/ATPs to all new hires with over 1500hrs. It's basically the same ride -but with steep turns, no-flap lndg, and something else I forget (and to ATP standards, of course). Around when I hired on with 9E, probably less than 1/4 of us even met ATP mins anyway- so the strain on APDs would have been minimal. When our seniority got us to upgrade, all that would've been required is a PC/Sim Chk Airman (after the CA course which is mandatory anyway). The only reason I can figure is that they didn't want us to take the training and run (even though the CL-65 is a useless type rating in the corp/135 world). At 9e, we all had to sign a yr training contract anyway. Who knows--I guess regionals have no choice now but to rethink things.

 

[HA25]

How many 1500 pilots are there out there that will work for AE F/O wages? This will be a test of how the 1500 rule will effect regional flying.

God I hope it kills the regionals.... that or makes them pay wages that make sense.

 

[HA25]

You do know that Eagle is giving all new hires an ATP and type rating in the airplane correct?

that should bring their newhire bust / washout rate to about 50%...

 

[Ops check good]

God I hope it kills the regionals.... that or makes them pay wages that make sense.

Thanks. My lively hood depends on a regional. Not eagle.... but a regional none the less. People love to forget where they came from.

P.S. for my age I feel I am making a good amount of money doing this :smash:

 

[GLEXPilot]

that should bring their newhire bust / washout rate to about 50%...

Why is that? You don't think that the new hires can handle the addition of steep turns and circle to land on the type ride?

 

[jonjuan]

I was not criticizing the regionals for hiring low time guys. Only relating that this 1000 DA-20 SIC has a lot more real world experience than the 1500 SEL VFR pilot.

Not if all the DA flying is non-standardized, seat of the pants, allowing for bad habits to be firmed up. Seen plenty of these guys out there.

 

[pilotyip]

Not if all the DA flying is non-standardized, seat of the pants, allowing for bad habits to be firmed up. Seen plenty of these guys out there.

Don't think that is case with our DA-20's. Ours are trained under 121 guide lines. So actually correct habits are being formed up allow the next move in your career. Our DA-20 pilots go on to career positions at SWA, NJ, JB, UAL, NWA, Atlas, Kalitta, etc., so they must have learned something. In fact one of our pilots who went to one of the above named, said he was disappointed with the training at his new place because it was not structured or documented as well as he found in our DA-20.

 

[GLEXPilot]

What is the DA-20? Is that the single engine diamond?

 

[pilotyip]

What! Everyone knows the DA20 is the airplane that started up the company known as FedEx. The airplane that is on display with the Avcon cargo door conversion at the Smithsonian in Washington DC

 

[HA25]

What! Everyone knows the DA20 is the airplane that started up the company known as FedEx. The airplane that is on display with the Avcon cargo door conversion at the Smithsonian in Washington DC

but before any of that, it was a very good larger cabin Executive Jet

 

[GLEXPilot]

The old Falcon 20? With the ********************ty 731s?

 

[HA25]

The old Falcon 20? With the ********************ty 731s?

there was a time when that was a state of the art jet... in the early and mid 60s.

 

[Flyer1015]

not yet it is still in a review process, but it might go into effect Aug 2013 with no retro look. If you don't have an ATP, you can not be a 121 pilot

Because an ATP in both seats would have prevented the Buffalo crash?

 

[HA25]

Because an ATP in both seats would have prevented the Buffalo crash?

no, but an ATP examination process that insured people understood how flaps worked.. that they are lift devises and not drag devises... might.

 

[pilotyip]

Because an ATP in both seats would have prevented the Buffalo crash?

Of course not, this a political response mandated by congress to address issue of public concern. By being able to say to the public we have rasied the standrads they can then get relected. This has really been driven by the families of the 3407 crash.

no, but an ATP examination process that insured people understood how flaps worked.. that they are lift devises and not drag devises... might.

400 hour pilots landing FA-18's on CV's seem to understand this, time had very little to do with capability. We all know 10K+ pilots who will never make Captain.

 

[HA25]

400 hour pilots landing FA-18's on CV's seem to understand this, time had very little to do with capability. We all know 10K+ pilots who will never make Captain.

in a moment of rarity... we agree Yip.. The problem with the FAA, and the world knows this; it's why we're the laughing stock of Cathy Pacific interviews.. as does the typical Military flight school grade know this... which is to say, anyone can memorize the ATP written and answer a few oral questions about a Seneca II and get their ATP.. No actual deep understanding of aerodynamics, systems theory, airspace (TERPS), or anything is checked.. it's frankly sad and I'm sure it's part of the grand conspiracy behind the whole "Shortage" myth which would love nothing more than to flood the labor market with bodies for "meat in the seat"

Never during the Type Rating add on course is this theory tested, and frankly I'm familiar with more than one "APD" who couldn't even tell you what "Trim Drag" is much less what actually causes induced drag..

this also feeds into the management plan to dumb down the profession and de-professionalize it enough to justify their crappy wage proposals.

 

[Jet_Driver]

Has anyone got the $5000 bonus yet?

 

[GLEXPilot]

Has anyone got the $5000 bonus yet?

The first class on the 29th had 5 guys in it, they are the first to get it, and they receive it at the successful completion of IOE.

 

[Jet_Driver]

The first class on the 29th had 5 guys in it, they are the first to get it, and they receive it at the successful completion of IOE.

I heard the union wasn't going to allow that. They may have to give it before they start class.

 

[GLEXPilot]

I heard the union wasn't going to allow that. They may have to give it before they start class.

Unfortunately it's not really up to the union.

 

[Captainzero1]

I think they do it Publisher's Clearing House style. Show up at your door with balloons and an over-sized check.

Stifler, that was the funniest thing i have read on here in a long time.

 

[CavePilot]

in a moment of rarity... we agree Yip.. The problem with the FAA, and the world knows this; it's why we're the laughing stock of Cathy Pacific interviews.. as does the typical Military flight school grade know this... which is to say, anyone can memorize the ATP written and answer a few oral questions about a Seneca II and get their ATP.. No actual deep understanding of aerodynamics, systems theory, airspace (TERPS), or anything is checked.. it's frankly sad and I'm sure it's part of the grand conspiracy behind the whole "Shortage" myth which would love nothing more than to flood the labor market with bodies for "meat in the seat"

Never during the Type Rating add on course is this theory tested, and frankly I'm familiar with more than one "APD" who couldn't even tell you what "Trim Drag" is much less what actually causes induced drag..

this also feeds into the management plan to dumb down the profession and de-professionalize it enough to justify their crappy wage proposals.

I'm certain you bear a striking resemblance to your avatar.

Go outside, get away from your computer, maybe even try getting a woman.

I really don't want to memrize rivot counts thank you.


Some of us are just good sticks. Please don't take all the fun out.

 

[CavePilot]

"memorize"...before someone spell checks me.

 

[rtmcfi]

It's "rivet"


;-)

 

[rtmcfi]

in a moment of rarity... we agree Yip.. The problem with the FAA, and the world knows this; it's why we're the laughing stock of Cathy Pacific interviews.. as does the typical Military flight school grade know this... which is to say, anyone can memorize the ATP written and answer a few oral questions about a Seneca II and get their ATP.. No actual deep understanding of aerodynamics, systems theory, airspace (TERPS), or anything is checked.. it's frankly sad and I'm sure it's part of the grand conspiracy behind the whole "Shortage" myth which would love nothing more than to flood the labor market with bodies for "meat in the seat"

Never during the Type Rating add on course is this theory tested, and frankly I'm familiar with more than one "APD" who couldn't even tell you what "Trim Drag" is much less what actually causes induced drag..

this also feeds into the management plan to dumb down the profession and de-professionalize it enough to justify their crappy wage proposals.

So, what are the accident rates of faa vs. jaa ATP holders?

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Unfortunately it's not really up to the union.

You sure about that? Can the company choose to pay above the CBA set rates anytime they want to to any line pilot?

 

[Brasilia Pup]

Pinnacle tried this a few years ago. $5000 sign-on bonus. Pinnacle recruiter was waiting in the FlightSafety parking lot and recruiting ASA new hires who just completed training. The Pinnacle union shut that down because it was not being offered to the rest of the pilots. CBA = everyone is paid under the same terms. From what I heard, those newly recruited pilots at Pinnacle who were offered the sign-on bonus, never saw a dime of that $5000.

I would not expect Eagle pilots to let this stand.