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[B19 Flyer]

"He Declined"

NJW openly stated that her husband bailed out of AMR when they didn't like what the union did there when they were low on the seniority list.

I have not and would not say that as my husband only left American because he was furloughed by management after 9-11. Had he been allowed to stay he would have served in the Union and still remains on good terms with the Volunteers there.

Your quote above uses the words "Had he been allowed to stay"

That doesn't match what you wrote in this post:

"I definitely agree, and experienced this firsthand when my husband was laid off from AA right after 9-11. He declined to go into the Eagle side of the airline not only because of the lower pay (he'd just recently completed training), but also because he was hearing that the Eagle pilots didn't want the regular AA guys there--too many hard feelings over the wide pay gap."


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=414999&postcount=27



It looks to me like he was allowed to stay, but instead, "He declined" (that kinda means he quit)

Now, I'm no English Major, but you wrote "He declined" above.

That kinda means he had an option, and gee whiz... he bailed out.

Caught you in another lie once again.

 

[netjetwife]

Fellow FI members, this is the type of sleazy behavior that has led many to view B19 as an obsessed, word-twisting online stalker.

As every pilot here is fully aware, there was a huge difference between AA and Eagle in 2004. They are 2 separate pilotgroups and they were ran as 2 separate companies. The only job relevant in the discussion is AA where my husband still has a seniority number. That is the company he interviewed for; it was AA management that hired my husband and furloughed him less than 6 months later much against his will. He has never flown in the regionals. He was never a pilot for Eagle. Had he wanted a position there, he would have applied to them, instead of to American.

The fact that B19 is trying to equate the Regionals to the Majors, and chump-change to a fair contract does not change the reality, accurately posted by me, that my husband was NOT allowed to remain in the cockpit on his job at American. That an aviation manager (by his posts working at Avantair, but the pilots don't want to claim him) sees no problem with a bait and switch type of tactic does not surprise me. It exemplifies why so many, many pilots in aviation belong to a Union. They have learned that, more often than not, aviation managers cannot be trusted.

Indeed, the frac pilots could easily put together a list of infamous executives that have behaved just as unethically as the greedy managers at AA. With B19's conduct here at FI, I think he could easily be the top candidate for Avantair. Given his penchant for distortion, one has to wonder if he is just as unpopular there as Mr. Moisture was at NJA for the same reason :erm:

Now to be fair, there are certainly "rotten apples" in every department bushel, including the pilotgroups. However, those few blend in with the crowd while executives are much more visible and have a far greater potential for doing damage to a company's reputation. Especially if said manager is gleefully harassing others on an industry message board. That's hardly the public image a growing fractional company like Avantair wants to portray when trying to attract clients that value discretion and demand a high level of customer service. :erm:

 

[HazMat]

Njw once again you need to actually read the post before you respond. There are only two high level managers with the company since 06. The person who people on fi claim is b19 wasn't even with the company in 06 so that dispels that theory. It's funny that you pick apart everything he says as untrue other than his claim to work at AvantAir. Just think it would make sense to say that because we are non union and have not furloughed and have been on the path to success since 06 where else would he say he worked. I can tell you first hand the mentality at Avantair has always been to respect the pilot group. That is the reason there wasn't a furlough. The company cut expenses in every other area to keep everyone employed. Something no other fraction can say and yes I am proud of that. As you say no contract can prevent a furlough but what can is management working with all employees to set out a plan and execute on that plan with honesty and integrity. That's what has occurred at AvantAir. Trust me from what I hear there is even more to come. Like last month when we were all given stock options. Talk about being an Internet stalker lay off AvantAir.

 

[netjetwife]

..... The person who people on fi claim is b19 wasn't even with the company in 06 so that dispels that theory. Actually, you need to check the "Avantair Called" thread which I brought back up for readers' convenience. On Sept 23, 2006, post # 159, B19 posted the following:

Avantair is an amazing place to work and yes, there are growing pains. I can tell you though, that this is the place to be right now for to fly in the fractional world. The last six months have seen amazing things happen and it’s only going to get better as the company grows. So, for those of us working at Avantair, there is no beef and we choose to be here because we want to be.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=84881&page=11


It's funny that you pick apart everything he says as untrue other than his claim to work at AvantAir. His sincere pride in working at Avantair is plain to see. Just about everything else he posts is anti-union FUD. Trust me from what I hear there is even more to come. Like last month when we were all given stock options. ...lay off AvantAir. I am quite happy for the Avantair pilots and their families. This is not about Avantair. It is about B19 and fairly setting the record straight.

So B19, what was your job position at Avantair in 2006? Or, if you prefer .... What dept did you work in at Avantair in 2006?

 

[netjetwife]

Supporting evidence of B19's Avantair employment in 2006

"Avantair Called" p 6. post # 85 from 9-05-06: "....has had nothing to do with MX for a long, long time. His interests have been directed elsewhere for a many months and these efforts are bearing great fruit for the company. MX at Avantair is excellent and the strategic cutbacks were painful but necessary. They also didn't include only MX. Sounds like B19 could be running MX at Avantair. To those of you that want to know the truth about Avantair, this is one of the neatest places that any aviation minded person could work. Nice endorsement! Maybe he's in charge of hiring.....

Avantair Called" p 6. post # 87 from 9-05-06: ...the individual you carelessly named hasn’t been involved in MX for a LONG, LONG time. As a matter of fact, if you REALLY knew the story behind the story, That sounds like an inner circle manager bragging. your posts would be written completely differently and your criticisms would be off in a whole different direction. Avantair is all good, and it’s an exciting place to work. That could apply to any position. But we know from his posts that we can rule out pilot, as he was no longer flying then.


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1106846#post1106846

How many guesses do we have to make before B19 provides the common information that others--without an agenda--freely volunteer to establish their connection to the fractional industry? Quite a few of the NJ pilots asked him numerous times when he was busy grilling them about the Union.

 

[wacoflyr]

By using present tense on the other thread, you clearly implied that B19 is still employed here, at Avantair. At the least, it was misleading. When this was pointed out to you by two of us, you would not answer the point directly.

You accuse B19 of playing fast and loose with the truth. I agree with you. You say he won't respond accurately or directly when other members of this forum point out his errors. Yup. That's right. How are you different?

Hazmat stated that you are becoming the poster child for the anti-union movement. I would go further and suggest that you and B19 have brought the whole argument down to a level where I no longer care. Because neither one of you is willing to see any truths beyond your own narrow beliefs, you lose all credibility with those of us who can see both sides of the argument. You sound like the ultra-conservatives and the ultra liberals. I want both of you to stay away from my job, my career, and my paycheck.

 

[HazMat]

Waco that's the post of the year

 

[netjetwife]

By using present tense on the other thread, you clearly implied that B19 is still employed here, at Avantair. I quoted him directly and he had posted it that way. The dates were provided by me and also the links to the posts so all should be clear. At the least, it was misleading. When this was pointed out to you by two of us, you would not answer the point directly. Sorry. The point was and is unclear to me. There are 2 of you posting and I'm a slow typer. It would help if you directed me to the post in question or copied it for review so that I could fully understand your objection.

You accuse B19 of playing fast and loose with the truth. I agree with you. You say he won't respond accurately or directly when other members of this forum point out his errors. Yup. That's right. How are you different? I am only using his direct posts, unchanged. He posted false allegations that were his skewed, paraphrased version -- first. There was no invite to correct it. I came across his bogus info about me only by chance. He has called me a liar repeatedly....what irony...but I still posted very civilly to him asking for the current info.

Hazmat stated that you are becoming the poster child for the anti-union movement. I would go further and suggest that you and B19 have brought the whole argument down to a level where I no longer care. Because neither one of you is willing to see any truths beyond your own narrow beliefs, you lose all credibility with those of us who can see both sides of the argument. You sound like the ultra-conservatives and the ultra liberals. I want both of you to stay away from my job, my career, and my paycheck.

I have done nothing but answer your questions. I have nothing to do w/your job or pay... My character, integrity, and reputation have all been attacked and slandered, along with my husband's. I certainly have the right to defend our good name and showing that the poster who is attempting to run a smear campaign, has no credibility and should not be believed, is a good place to start. You jumped into this on your own. I see no reason for you to do that. :erm: There is the easy-to-use ignore function of the board. It sounds as though you would benefit from putting both of us on your list. I support your right to read selectively.

 

[HazMat]

not even worth a response NJW because I think you are actually crazy enough to believe what you post. All we ask is you stay out of our business and focus your energy elsewhere.

 

[netjetwife]

Actually, since you brought it up, Haz.... I was intending to make more posts for B19 to read. You and Waco interrupted that plan w/questions and complaints about my posts for him. No problem. I consider us to all be members of the same online community so I did my best to accommodate you. Apparently, that wasn't the best decision in light of your attitude.

Here's a friendly tip about my time on the board. I'm polite. When spoken to I feel it would be rude not to respond. You could have both ignored me and I would have gone about my business/posting plan. I have previously explained this to some of the Avantair pilots. The best way to avoid ending up in a conversation with me ? Don't start one!

And don't stand around talking about me. I'll see that as clear justification to join the conversation, especially if false information is being spread and/or there is an agenda to post rude, unfair remarks about me. You can have private conversations via PM so all is fair. In the interest of a friendly atmosphere, we can civilly agree to disagree and just ignore one another if you like. Care to give it a try...with civil rules in place?

 

[glasspilot]

I fell in a trap.

 

[wacoflyr]

It's okay. So did I.

 

[say again]

She's a loon

 

[CRJFlyer]

I think it's time to step away from the computer and go give your husband a bj or something...anything with a happy ending..I kinda feel bad for the guy.

Then again he married someone who sits on a computer and responds to posts when she's not even a pilot..... My wife was in the aviation industry for 12 years and she could give a rats ass about the business.

Just a tip.... pay close attention to the berries as well as the twig.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Tend to your own husband CRJ. :blush: