170/175 and CRJ900

[DrewBlows]

And adding 36 new planes that come with 360 young pilots, does not increase my chances of becoming a future Delta new hire. If the planes come with pilots, that does not create any new jobs.

I guess we know what's important to you...

Please stop calling Compass pilots "young", inexperienced, or anything else in your attempt to label us inadequate for Delta Airlines. A good portion of our most junior pilots are former ATA, Aloha, Champion, UAL, and Spirit. Further, the rest of the list is populated by former ACA/Indy, Eagle, Comair, Expressjet, Republic, and Mesa pilots. In my experience it's more common to have an FO with prior captain experience than without.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about the former Navy and Air Force guys...

 

[chjack]

good post drew. all these regional guys claim main line shoud be flying the planes so they can have career progression, until it looks like they might not be invited to the party.

 

[inflightboi175]

I don't understand all this bashing of regional airlines when some regionals are helping mainline carriers exit bankruptcy such as: part of US Airways' bankruptcy restructuring, the 25 Embraer 170s delivered to MidAtlantic were bought by Republic to help US Airways to come out of bankruptcy. Also a few of the regionals are giving multimillion dollar loans to help keep other airlines in business such as: APPLETON, Wis., Nov. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- Air Wisconsin Airlines Corporation announced today it has agreed to provide a $35 million loan to US Airways, Inc.

We are all in the airline industry is has changed as does life. We cant keep looking at the past we need to look ahead and try to be positive.

 

[Flyin2low]

BTW, this DOES creat new jobs. It creates 360 fewer regional jobs and 360 additional mainline jobs.... that is 180+ more Delta captains. On top of all that, those 360 slots will be converted into 400-420+ by conforming to our workrules and staffing requirements. Didn't think of that, did you?

It just looks like furlough protection to me.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is more than that. Even though flows do not work the best, as present time the DAL pilots own every seat at CPZ. This is about keeping CPZ's representational structure attached to ours, bring on the list if possible, and look at bringing those large RJ's back to mainline.
It is a net result in more better paying jobs for all pilots.
That means that people like you could get over here quicker than the prospects currently are.

Of note there are just as many DCI jets as their are mainline jets.
in 2001 there were less than 200 of them system wide. Guess where you dream mainline job went. You've got it.

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

Pilots seem to forget that we are only operators of a piece of equipment. It's soul job is to move people from A to B. It's a tool for the job. If the route load has decreased then the size of the equipment will decrease. If the company can still draw a large cost per seat then paying for a smaller plane will result in an increase in profit.
We (the pilots) have priced ourselves out of wages that we should command. The CEO types and B.O.D. (company) have used federal laws to reduce the pay and benefits while allowing their pocket to fill with money earned from ALL of the hard workers on property. Example: A pilot is sent packing from a nice gig flying a "large" plane at a major and to keep working goes to a "regional" flying an smaller jet just to keep working. Why not work outside the industry until your "real" job comes back? You'll most likely be receiving a better salary and be less likely to bitch about your income. We all have choices and once it is made then you have to live with it.
I don't see QOL returning for most until the economy returns to a level of comfort.
Good luck to you guys that have had you QOL ripped apart. Nothing beats going to work with a fresh outlook and smiling because life is rolling along. Keeps the stress down for sure!!

Sidebar: The 170/190 series are a lesser of two evils when it comes to the whole RJ thing. Flying in the back of either the 135/145 series or the whole CRJ series sucks!! I like the comfort of the 170/190 series.

 

[OPECJet]

but there is alot of resistance since XJ and OH haven't had a mainline interview or been appropriately screened. This would be the same with the other regionals, though even more hurdles.

Jesus... I don't fly for a regional anymore and find THAT offensive.....

What exactly are you alluding to Mr. Former RJ Driver? Are you saying your Delta job requires more training and a more strict interview process than your RJ job?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Jesus... I don't fly for a regional anymore and find THAT offensive.....

What exactly are you alluding to Mr. Former RJ Driver? Are you saying your Delta job requires more training and a more strict interview process than your RJ job?

In a word yes. The DAL interview has many unnecessary hoops, but they are hoops that all must jump through to get though the door here.

 

[OPECJet]

In a word yes. The DAL interview has many unnecessary hoops, but they are hoops that all must jump through to get though the door here.

I know about the DAL interview. My question is all the BS involved with it necessary for the safe operation of a Delta flight as opposed to an RJ flight? I'm guessing not.

I didn't even attempt to get my point across with my earlier post, which is...

The way I see it, there are three flawed attitudes at work that have hurt the profession. One is that of mainline pilots who see their job as more difficult, and or important than those of their regional counterparts. These are the types who let the small jet flying go to a regional to begin with.

Plain and simple, one cannot exist without the other. Case in point, Pan Am. Huge international presence, little domestic feed.

The second is the mainline pilot who feels that the turboprop / RJ pilot is inferior due to the type of equipment they fly. Last time I checked, you're operating the to the same airports, in the same weather, with the same kind of training requirements, in an aircraft certified under the same standards.

The third is the regional pilot who will sell their soul to fly something bigger. Anyone bidding riding around in one of those 170s, CRJ700 / 900s because it's the biggest thing they can bid is a problem.

As far as DALPA working on brand scope, it will be a huge improvement if you're successful. On the same hand, aren't you the same company that let the RJ cat out of the bag to begin with many years ago? Before you junior DAL guys get the flamethrower out about that comment, this happened before your time. Your job at Delta in many cases was made possible by your RJ time, some of which no doubt had a Delta logo on the tail.

 

[acarpe3448]

I guess we know what's important to you...

Please stop calling Compass pilots "young", inexperienced, or anything else in your attempt to label us inadequate for Delta Airlines. A good portion of our most junior pilots are former ATA, Aloha, Champion, UAL, and Spirit. Further, the rest of the list is populated by former ACA/Indy, Eagle, Comair, Expressjet, Republic, and Mesa pilots. In my experience it's more common to have an FO with prior captain experience than without.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about the former Navy and Air Force guys...

I agree with you! But most of that prior Captain experience your F/Os have is in the left seat of a Beech Duchess! Let Delta take the planes and ditch the pilots. Then apply and come to work at Delta.

 

[N1VIBS]

In a word yes. The DAL interview has many unnecessary hoops, but they are hoops that all must jump through to get though the door here.

Did all the NWA pilots go through all the hoops, interviews and were screened? How about all the ex Western pilots? How about all the pilots from the regional that merged with Delta many years ago( was it Northeastern,New England or something like that?) I don't work for Compass, but if you are saying they have to be interviewd and screened to be "good enough" for Delta I say thats bull%$#@. I'm sure there are a few "old timers" at NWA that maybe don't have a degree. Are they "good enough". Maybe some that couldn/t pass the Psycho. test. Are they "good enough"? If you want Compass on your list, then just staple them and be done with it. I live in the Peachtree City area and believe me I know that most of the Delta pilots are great guys and gals, the fact is, you've got some nut cases too. I read about them in the paper. They got through all the hoops and screening too!! And you're worried that some of the regional guys/ gals may not be "good enough".
GMAFB!!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

CPZ pilots have already been interviewed/screened by NWA. Of course the NWA interview is considered just as well as the DAL interview for those pilots on their list. The fact is that they have been screened to this "level." (flight time, personality/demeanor, the evil 4-year degree, etc.)

Yes, an interview at a major is more stringent and weeds more people out on a number of factors than a regional interview.

The occassional nutcase gets through here and there in any interview process...but it is very rare. At my previous carrier, we called them the 10%ers. Now here, its the 1%ers.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Did all the NWA pilots go through all the hoops, interviews and were screened? How about all the ex Western pilots? How about all the pilots from the regional that merged with Delta many years ago( was it Northeastern,New England or something like that?) I don't work for Compass, but if you are saying they have to be interviewed and screened to be "good enough" for Delta I say that's bull%$#@. I'm sure there are a few "old timers" at NWA that maybe don't have a degree. Are they "good enough". Maybe some that couldn't pass the Psycho. test. Are they "good enough"? If you want Compass on your list, then just staple them and be done with it. I live in the Peachtree City area and believe me I know that most of the Delta pilots are great guys and gals, the fact is, you've got some nut cases too. I read about them in the paper. They got through all the hoops and screening too!! And you're worried that some of the regional guys/ gals may not be "good enough".
GMAFB!!

I am sure that with all your experience you understand that when you merge with a carrier like NWA all of the pilots come with the carrier. I am sure that if DAL had its way they all would have re-interviewed, but thank GOD for ALPA. That is never going to be an issue.

As for it being more stringent. To the interviewer it is. They are looking for different things. Flt time is not the only qualifier. Fact is that personality is almost as important as the other skills. When I did my ASA interview back in the day, it was total BS. Basically, when can you start??
I know it has changed and much of that is due to the hard work of one woman. But the fact is that what it takes to get though the door at a regional is a joke compared to what it takes to just get an interview here. I know, I am very familiar with the process.
Towards the end of the hiring in 08 we were having a hard time finding people that were considered qualified. We had over 12,000 applications, so yes, just to get a offer is next to impossible, add to that, that about 75% fail that interview.
Four parts, and three of the four are a one time chance. Yep, I think it is different. Just to put it in to light. There have been people that could not get through initial at DAL, they are fired, gone for good. Now the same thing has happened at regionals, and the response is that you are let go, go get some fight time and call us back when you have 800-1000 hrs. They do and they come back.
It is not that you are not "qualified" to fly the airplane. It is a question of whether or not you are the person that will fit in the family. Almost everyone I fly with shares a lot in common with me. There is none of this who's is bigger or better, or smarter crap. We all know that we all had to have the same above average qualifications to get an interview, and the same overall personality to get the job.
As has been stated some nut jobs get through the testing, and some people that should be here get turned down. It goes with the process.

If I could take all DCI pilots and put them on the list, I would, but my glasses are not rose colored, and I like to look for realistic goals.

 

[N1VIBS]

ACL65

I'm curious as to who the woman at ASA is you're talking about. Surely you don't mean the one that was, lets say (trying to be nice here), DUI challanged!! Thank God, she is long gone.

 

[PGTB]

You guys would do yourself a favor if youd quit stroking your double breasted self, and keep to the task at hand.

 

[inflightboi175]

there is still that rumor going around at republic that republic will buy compass

 

[MCOE175]

SG... You know as well as I do that is not going to happen...
Altough RP has the ability I honestly don't think they want to take on something this big while contracts are trying to be completed...

 

[SpauldingSmails]

there is still that rumor going around at republic that republic will buy compass

... and a year and half plus, still hasn't happened. I can't believe that rumor still has legs. You musn't have much to talk about at RP other than who your company will provide financing to next to gain more flying.

 

[aewanabe]

I agree with you! But most of that prior Captain experience your F/Os have is in the left seat of a Beech Duchess! Let Delta take the planes and ditch the pilots. Then apply and come to work at Delta.

Sorry Acarpe, incorrect. Lots of right-seaters at CPZ with PIC time from places like ATA, ALOHA, Champion, etc. But you knew that, right? I have no dog in this particular fight but the stereotyping is driving me nuts.

 

[JumpersAway]

I am sure that with all your experience you understand that when you merge with a carrier like NWA all of the pilots come with the carrier. I am sure that if DAL had its way they all would have re-interviewed, but thank GOD for ALPA. That is never going to be an issue.

As for it being more stringent. To the interviewer it is. They are looking for different things. Flt time is not the only qualifier. Fact is that personality is almost as important as the other skills. When I did my ASA interview back in the day, it was total BS. Basically, when can you start??
I know it has changed and much of that is due to the hard work of one woman. But the fact is that what it takes to get though the door at a regional is a joke compared to what it takes to just get an interview here. I know, I am very familiar with the process.
Towards the end of the hiring in 08 we were having a hard time finding people that were considered qualified. We had over 12,000 applications, so yes, just to get a offer is next to impossible, add to that, that about 75% fail that interview.
Four parts, and three of the four are a one time chance. Yep, I think it is different. Just to put it in to light. There have been people that could not get through initial at DAL, they are fired, gone for good. Now the same thing has happened at regionals, and the response is that you are let go, go get some fight time and call us back when you have 800-1000 hrs. They do and they come back.
It is not that you are not "qualified" to fly the airplane. It is a question of whether or not you are the person that will fit in the family. Almost everyone I fly with shares a lot in common with me. There is none of this who's is bigger or better, or smarter crap. We all know that we all had to have the same above average qualifications to get an interview, and the same overall personality to get the job.
As has been stated some nut jobs get through the testing, and some people that should be here get turned down. It goes with the process.

If I could take all DCI pilots and put them on the list, I would, but my glasses are not rose colored, and I like to look for realistic goals.

ACL- sorry you feel your interview at ASA was a joke. I was hired in 2005, and mine wasn't. Quite honestly, most people were not making it through the interview process, primarilly due to the simulator. Entire interview groups were being thrown out- including candidates that were prior 121.

I agree with you that some sort of screening needs to be done. Would you want to see the "White Dragon" in a Delta uniform- no thanks. However, if the 70/76 seat flying is going back to mainline, I think it should be done in a fair way.

Personally, I feel that a proportional number of pilots ought to be interviewed, and hired, from each carrier that gives back the flying. If 30 airframes leave ASA for Delta, I feel that (based on 5 crews per airframe) 150 of those pilot slots opened at Delta ought to go to previous ASA pilots. Same goes for Compass, Pinnacle, Comair, etc. I can't see anything right about making the regionals bleed, in order for prior military or non DCI affiliated pilots to prosper. Keep the interview the same, but allow those that bleed to share in the reward. Would you not agree that this is not the right thing to do???

In regards to "giving" back the flying. Some may argue that the flying isn't DCI's in the first place. However, I feel we have a stake in the game too. If we've stood tall enough to up the ante, and fight for wages that close the DCI- Mainline gap, I feel that we have sweat equity in the flying. Otherwise, we could have dumped the 70/90 rate so low, that Delta wouldn't even remotely entertain the idea of taking back the 70/90 airframes due to difference in cost. Do you not agree?