17 Dead in Montanta

[AMANSWORLD]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29828359


Very sad indeed. RIP to those on board.

My question is 17 in a PC12 Pilatus???

 

[BEfly]

My question is 17 in a PC12 Pilatus???

Thats just 1 of the many questions I have

 

[Storm Chaser]

Max pax for the PC-12 is 9 pax plus pilots. So I doubt the 17 number. Typical of the MSM, more important to get the story out first and worry about the facts later!

Flight aware has it as N128CM.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all those families effected.

 

[jonjuan]

Max pax for the PC-12 is 9 pax plus pilots. So I doubt the 17 number. Typical of the MSM, more important to get the story out first and worry about the facts later!

Flight aware has it as N128CM.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all those families effected.

It's 17.

 

[IFLYHI]

It's 17.

Not according to Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510082,00.html

They say it's 14, which still seems like a few too many!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

It's 14 but 7 were kids so could be the reason for more than the allowed. Terrible.

 

[Hawker800]

Interesting to know why the flight diverted to Butte instead of going to Bozeman as planned. Anyone know the weather in Bozeman at the time?

 

[hooker]

what about the reg only 12pax in a single in the US? Its tight with 8 pax in a PC! Unless this was a useal more money than brains situation and he had stuffed with kids cause "there small its ok!"?

 

[Andy Neill]

what about the reg only 12pax in a single in the US? Its tight with 8 pax in a PC! Unless this was a useal more money than brains situation and he had stuffed with kids cause "there small its ok!"?

Which part is that reg in?

 

[G-force]

Re:Aircraft Type??????

Are we absolutely certain of the aircraft type???I hope we are not going to trust the news media to get this right!!!!!

 

[Andy Neill]

Are we absolutely certain of the aircraft type???I hope we are not going to trust the news media to get this right!!!!!

A PC-12 did go from Oroville to Butte yesterday according to flightaware.

 

[flyinloki]

Yup it was a PC-12 and they for sure had too many people on board. The last FBO where they got fuel at the line guy said the kids just kept climbing out of the plane when they landed. A whole bunch of them. The Operator who owned this aircraft should be put in jail if he was involved with putting that many people in that aircraft. Something around 15 to 17 people.

 

[CitationCapt]

Btm

I flew freight in and out of BTM many years back. There are two cemeteries on the west side of the airport and if memory serves me Holy Cross Cemetery is south of the terminal and Butte Aviation.

Looking at flightaware, this guy was coming from the southwest (from the Salmon VOR). No radar coverage below 10,800'.

The wind on the last METAR was 300@8 favoring runway 33. Could he have been on a 45 for a right downwind to runway 15, then just turning downwind he decided to make a 180 right over the Holy Cross Cemetery and enter a left downwind for 33, at which point the PC-12 got too slow?

I know, speculation, speculation. My Bad.

CC

 

[Cujo69]

PC-12 crash

I agree with everyone about media mistakes. That is why I wait a couple days for them to get most of the details ironed out.

Most PC-12s have 6 or 8 seat configs. in the cabin. There is a config. with 9 seats in the back but very few have this. Even with 9 in the cabin plus 2 in the cockpit that leaves 3 children that would have to be under the ages of 24 months for this to be technically legal. It appears that only one child was under 2.

What no one knows is how much gear they had for a ski trip for 14 people. It will be very difficult to determine where the CG was toward the end of this flight. Even with the small children, I am amazed that someone would load 14 people on this plane.

 

[NJAowner]

This one kept me up last night. We fly in the mountains of MT and WY often. Let's not speculate since we don't know the facts.


It is possible that with kids that young the kids' ski gear is small and light. Or if they had a ski home in the area, most of the gear could be there and not in the plane. Unfortunately, we don't know.

Fly safe.