17 Dead in Montanta

[lowtimedriver]

Icing is now being looked as per the NTSB.

 

[DBacks]

Icing? Was there weather enroute? The pic that I'm looking at showing the burning wreckage shows a crystal clear day with the sun out.

 

[jimmyw]

Was this single piloted? If so here we go again people with $$ but ok trusting the health and judgement of one pilot. A risk I'm sure not presented in the trip quote to these surely innocent pax's

 

[DBacks]

Nevermind, guess I was wrong. Just read an article about the possibility of ice on descent.

 

[o2bflyn]

Icing? Was there weather enroute? The pic that I'm looking at showing the burning wreckage shows a crystal clear day with the sun out.

I heard that they were looking at that too.....Not sure why, but that's what I heard.

 

[CelticCitation]

Everybody seems to be blaming their favorite issue on this one. Single pilot? It was a 91 trip, if there was a "quote," it was an illegal charter.

The NTSB reps that have indicated ice, also stated that icing in turboprops is something they have been pushing the FAA to tighten their certification standards for. Now there is an accident, and that is the first cause out of their mouth.

Single engine pax carrying IFR? Only a few people have implicated that. I'm sure if there is a failure of some sort, the Pilatus people will be thrilled.

Personally, I think it is because of the low pay pilots are forced into because of the economy. I'm trying to figure a way to blame Obama, but I'll have to get back to you. If Bush were still around...

 

[o2bflyn]

Everybody seems to be blaming their favorite issue on this one. Single pilot? It was a 91 trip, if there was a "quote," it was an illegal charter.

The NTSB reps that have indicated ice, also stated that icing in turboprops is something they have been pushing the FAA to tighten their certification standards for. Now there is an accident, and that is the first cause out of their mouth.

Single engine pax carrying IFR? Only a few people have implicated that. I'm sure if there is a failure of some sort, the Pilatus people will be thrilled.

Personally, I think it is because of the low pay pilots are forced into because of the economy. I'm trying to figure a way to blame Obama, but I'll have to get back to you. If Bush were still around...

1. you can have a quote for a 91 operation. Its called a lease agreement. Very legal. Someone with an existing lease agreement wants to know how much the flight will cost him.....bang, there is a quote.

2. Low-pay pilot? You know how much this guy was making? just because he is flying a PC-12 does not mean he was low pay.

 

[NJAowner]

From what I just read on AP it quoted the owner of the plane who was the father of 2 of the women and grandfather of 5 of the children aboard. Very sad story.

Fly safe.

 

[CelticCitation]

You didn't completely miss my point. Ok, maybe you did.

As soon as there is an accident, everyone uses it to justify their cause.

I have no idea what the pilot makes, but my issue right now is pilot wages are dropping, therefore, that is what I think caused the accident.

In this particular case, I can't imagine someone with a lease arrangement not understanding that it is a single pilot operation. My point being, Jimmyw took his personal issue of Single Pilot ops, and immediately tagged that as the cause of the crash. Not arguing either side of that particular issue, there is no evidence at this point that anything regarding to one or two pilots on the airplane was causal to the crash.

 

[7KCAB]

You could fly through an SLD layer at altitude, pick up ice that goes behind the protected areas, and if the temperature is below freezing all the way down, it wouldn't become a problem until you slowed down or even until when you put the flaps down. Seems like most aircraft flight manuals say to make a zero-flap landing and increase Vref speeds by a considerable margin if there is ice present aft of the protected areas. Of course, you can't see the tail, but if it is on the wings aft of the boots, it most likely is on the tail aft of the boots as well.

Just one of many possible reasons for this accident. The frustrating thing is we may never know exactly what happened here for certain since it was non-radar, no FDR, and there were no radio communications indicating anything was wrong.

 

[Snakum]

Personally, I think it is because of the low pay pilots are forced into because of the economy. I'm trying to figure a way to blame Obama, but I'll have to get back to you. If Bush were still around...

ROFLMAO! Now THAT, ladies and germs, is speculation!

 

[CelticCitation]

Thanks, Snakum!

I think I need to add, "inability to recognize obvious sarcasm" to the probable cause of death for most FI threads.

 

[timmay]

Just heard now the FAA put out an emergency AD for the PC12 a couple of days ago. Supposedly it involves flight control issues. What is the range of the PC12 seemed like a long flight with that much weight.

 

[CitationCapt]

That did not sound like speculation to me. It sounded more like a thoery, a suggestion.

How many times have you speculated over out current banking system/economy? Let's not get all spun up just because someone is offering a theory.

Plus, how do you know he/she is not a pilot? I know plenty of owner/passengers who are rated pilots.

OK, you are right..... I don't speculate on Obama's economy.

I stand corrected. Of course, he is not speculating either.

CC

 

[Lynxman]

Just heard now the FAA put out an emergency AD for the PC12 a couple of days ago. Supposedly it involves flight control issues. What is the range of the PC12 seemed like a long flight with that much weight.

Link to the AD please. I've got some PC12 time and this makes me curious.

 

[bizjet800]

Seems like most aircraft flight manuals say to make a zero-flap landing and increase Vref speeds by a considerable margin if there is ice present aft of the protected areas.

A Zero flap landing if some ice is present aft of the protected areas? This is news to me!

 

[lookin4better]

Owner pilots are a bad idea, they think the plane can do anything, and putting this many people on this airplane proves it!

 

[o2bflyn]

Thanks, Snakum!

I think I need to add, "inability to recognize obvious sarcasm" to the probable cause of death for most FI threads.

I don't think you were being sarcastic. You appear to be battling other people skeptism by giving a little of your own. I think you just got caught.

That's the way it came across anyway.

 

[o2bflyn]

OK, you are right..... I don't speculate on Obama's economy.

I stand corrected. Of course, he is not speculating either.

CC

Point is, everyone speculates. It is human nature.

 

[Andy Neill]

Owner pilots are a bad idea, they think the plane can do anything, and putting this many people on this airplane proves it!

Does it matter that the owner was not the pilot and was not on the plane?