17 Dead in Montanta

[Snakum]

Personally, I think it is because of the low pay pilots are forced into because of the economy. I'm trying to figure a way to blame Obama, but I'll have to get back to you. If Bush were still around...

ROFLMAO! Now THAT, ladies and germs, is speculation!

 

[CelticCitation]

Thanks, Snakum!

I think I need to add, "inability to recognize obvious sarcasm" to the probable cause of death for most FI threads.

 

[timmay]

Just heard now the FAA put out an emergency AD for the PC12 a couple of days ago. Supposedly it involves flight control issues. What is the range of the PC12 seemed like a long flight with that much weight.

 

[CitationCapt]

That did not sound like speculation to me. It sounded more like a thoery, a suggestion.

How many times have you speculated over out current banking system/economy? Let's not get all spun up just because someone is offering a theory.

Plus, how do you know he/she is not a pilot? I know plenty of owner/passengers who are rated pilots.

OK, you are right..... I don't speculate on Obama's economy.

I stand corrected. Of course, he is not speculating either.

CC

 

[Lynxman]

Just heard now the FAA put out an emergency AD for the PC12 a couple of days ago. Supposedly it involves flight control issues. What is the range of the PC12 seemed like a long flight with that much weight.

Link to the AD please. I've got some PC12 time and this makes me curious.

 

[bizjet800]

Seems like most aircraft flight manuals say to make a zero-flap landing and increase Vref speeds by a considerable margin if there is ice present aft of the protected areas.

A Zero flap landing if some ice is present aft of the protected areas? This is news to me!

 

[lookin4better]

Owner pilots are a bad idea, they think the plane can do anything, and putting this many people on this airplane proves it!

 

[o2bflyn]

Thanks, Snakum!

I think I need to add, "inability to recognize obvious sarcasm" to the probable cause of death for most FI threads.

I don't think you were being sarcastic. You appear to be battling other people skeptism by giving a little of your own. I think you just got caught.

That's the way it came across anyway.

 

[o2bflyn]

OK, you are right..... I don't speculate on Obama's economy.

I stand corrected. Of course, he is not speculating either.

CC

Point is, everyone speculates. It is human nature.

 

[Andy Neill]

Owner pilots are a bad idea, they think the plane can do anything, and putting this many people on this airplane proves it!

Does it matter that the owner was not the pilot and was not on the plane?

 

[jetpig32]

Officials have identified the plane's pilot, as well as the owner of the PC-12. Buddy Summerfield, 65, was a former military pilot with 2,000 hours in the PC-12, according to authorities. Summerfield was apparently flying three families on a skiing trip, for the plane's owner, Dr. Bud Feldkamp.

 

[bizjet800]

Officials have identified the plane's pilot, as well as the owner of the PC-12. Buddy Summerfield, 65, was a former military pilot with 2,000 hours in the PC-12, according to authorities. Summerfield was apparently flying three families on a skiing trip, for the plane's owner, Dr. Bud Feldkamp.

Correct, the owner was not on board. Not sure if the owner is a pilot, though. My prayers to all their families.

 

[CelticCitation]

o2bflyn, i think there is a healthy level of speculation that goes on among professionals, we are at risk of making the same mistakes, or possibly being the victom of outside forces, so we have a lot more on the line than do the media, or your dentist, or anyone else who asks. I am not immune to it. I do find it entertaining to see that as soon as there is an accident/incident, everyone has it solved without any data.

I know a lot of my early theories have been blown out of the water. I do think that there will be a cause found, I just hope it doesn't do more damage to our industry than is justified at an already precarious time to be an aviator.

For example, if there is a big push for CVRs in smaller aircraft. Little or no benefit if there is not an accident, but huge expense for all the King Airs, Pilatuses (not sure the multiple), etc. Not saying they're not a great idea, just who needs more expence in this environment.

 

[o2bflyn]

o2bflyn, i think there is a healthy level of speculation that goes on among professionals, we are at risk of making the same mistakes, or possibly being the victom of outside forces, so we have a lot more on the line than do the media, or your dentist, or anyone else who asks. I am not immune to it. I do find it entertaining to see that as soon as there is an accident/incident, everyone has it solved without any data.

I know a lot of my early theories have been blown out of the water. I do think that there will be a cause found, I just hope it doesn't do more damage to our industry than is justified at an already precarious time to be an aviator.

For example, if there is a big push for CVRs in smaller aircraft. Little or no benefit if there is not an accident, but huge expense for all the King Airs, Pilatuses (not sure the multiple), etc. Not saying they're not a great idea, just who needs more expence in this environment.

I can certainly agree with you there.

I think speculation amoung professionals and non-professionals can be useful, within the proper context. The media babbling on like drunken children is not useful, but there are times where a laymen can have a good speculative theory that leads somewhere.

My point in all this is, don't discount someones ideas merely because they don't have the same training level as you (that is a general "you").

 

[shroomwell]

I am going to speculate her so go easy.

I think the pilot had a heart attack or between otherwise incapacitated.