12 of Comairs 70's going to Skywest

[79%N1]

Ah, genius.....nobody can control weather or ATC flow, slowdowns, etc. SFO, LAX, DEN ARE NOT ATL!!! They do not consistantly try to shove 10 lbs of sh1t into a 5 lb bag. In fact, nevermind. You join the General and a couple of your idiot buddies on my evergrowing ignore list.

 

[Tarzan]

XPOOP,
Comparing apples to apples, OO is 2.5% better on time at SLC than ASA. And we run quite a few less through there so one foul up shoots the numbers pretty badly.

Your on time performance at ORD is 71%. I am sure the goal is farther up than that. We ran better than that with Trans States.

So far as ATL goes, sure the performance for on time sucks at 51% but 24% of that comes from ATC alone. That doesn't count for the BS on the ramp or the garbage DA hands the company to build with lines. Heck, Delta mainline is only 65% and they have adaquate ramp space (to some degree).

Once again, get over yourself. There is alot more that goes into a plane leaving on time beside you sitting in the cockpit spinning your whiz wheel. Any jerkoff can get a plane out on time if thats all there was to it.

For the record before starting here, I thought ORD was a tough place to turn a plane and get good numbers. ATL makes that place look like a day at the fair.

 

[HelloNewman]

Ahhh the good ol east coast excuse. Many airlines loves to hide a lot of their problems under the guise of weather and ATC. If you dig deeper you will find its really the airline that is the problem overall. Sure there are ATC delays but lets face it most airlines like to bury their dirty little secrets under the ATC/weather excuse. Nice try though.

 

[79%N1]

And welcome to the ignore list Newman. Say hello to D'Angelo.

 

[sweptback]

And welcome to the ignore list Newman. Say hello to D'Angelo.

They know each other... I think they share a room in their mom's basement.

 

[AdolphOlivrbush]

Oh for the love of Pete, ya'll are embarassing! "my job's harder than yours...it's the SkyW pilots fault...everybody is trying to hold me down...I get paid $110K/yr...etc etc etc". Absolutely embarassing.

When the flying day is over and at the layover there is a crew from SkyW, ASA, AE, Comair, you name it, we are all good folks who enjoy airplanes and are trying to make a living at it. Everybody on FI talks a lot of tough ********************, but when you are sitting across from another pilot drinking a beer, you have your tail tucked. To honestly think that it's the pilots at SkyW that are hostile towards you, trying to take over "your" flying, undercutting you, kidnapping your QoL, you are full of it. We go to work to wiggle the stick and push the buttons like everybody else. The difference here is we have leadership that is actually somewhat competent. If you are so bitter, call up your mgt pukes and tell them how to run your airline. I've never seen a group of folks who all think they have MBAs and 40yrs experience running an airline. Ya'll just bitch about the same stuff day in and day out when the whole industry is so much more complicated than just our typical pilot B.S.

Calling another pilot group a bunch of whores is absolutely ridiculous. We all had choices when we sent out the apps and interviewed...you had yours too. You still do. If you don't like it, get out. Many of us are very humble and realistic about additional flying. We understand it can go just as quickly as it came. We feel for the other pilots. None of us start cheering to hear that another pilot might be out of work. That is absurd. Get over yourself. And when the time comes to lose some of this flying, so be it. It's part of the business. If you don't like it, get out. We won't miss you.

Everybody bitches that SkyW flies the 70 for 50 seat rates. And then we get the BOH pay proposal...yet that still makes us whores I guess because it's an override, not a split rate. YGTBSM. Will we be getting more $$ to fly the 70, yes. Okay, then to me that is a different rate.

This is an honest question...why would we not want to vote in the current pay proposal? Is there anything that says once it's voted in, ALPA can't come on property (not saying they'll get my vote)? So why not take the pay raise now, and at least be making more while you wait the few years for ALPA to renegotiate a new contract? Doesn't make sense to me to shoot it down. Yes, I understand the 1% 50 raise is a joke, and I agree the E-120 guys should have a raise, but 5-8% over the next few years could be worse. The alternative is to make the same money or less. Most folks are giving consessions, and we are being offered more money. I'll vote yes.

Fire away with all of the well thought out, constructive, objective, and most definately...mature posts.

 

[HelloNewman]

good post Adolph. There is no reason to not vote in the current proposal. It is a perfect way to offset the union dues on the off chance that alpa gets voted in. It sucks for the Brasillia guys but if/when they goto the jet they can make the over ride

 

[www.]

Ask them next year when they are captains. Any questions? Didnt think so...

Yeah, is that really you in the picture or did someone just push your stool in for your?

 

[Caveman]

I have been flying on SKYW for a lot of years, being from the west coast. You guys have a good operation with good people. However, to those of you who say you have no control over where airplanes go, I call BS.

When you decided to fly for one rate, you stuck a knife in the backs of many regional pilots. When you decided to not fight when the one rate was supposed to be done, you twisted that knife.

Unfortunately, management makes the decisions on where airplanes go based largely on what pilots are willing to fly them for. So, while you didn't directly ask to fly Comair or ASA airplanes, you provided the motivation for management to give them to you, i.e. you do have some control over the situation.

Nobody is asking for you to refuse them. We are asking for you to get your chit together and raise your pay on the 70/90. I don't care if you do it with ALPA or without, just do it.

Again, I am not angry. I respect your pilot group. I hope you have the same respect for ours. When I hear you defending yourselves, as if you meant no harm to other groups, that angers me because it is ignorant. Maybe your single rate wasn't intended by you as a slap to our face, but it is being used that way by your management, and you are allowing them to get away with it, even defending it. Please try to take a look at the consequences for other DCI pilots. Furloughs, pay cuts, displacements, downgrades, relocation, starting over somewhere else, lack of bargaining power, etc. Even if you don't care about us, do it for yourselves, because it will eventually come full circle and bite you back.

Well said D.

Back when SKW agreed to the single rate everyone here on FI tried to tell them that this was a big mistake and that it wasn't going to last only 18 months like management said it would. Fast forward to today. Any questions?

I agree that most of the pilots at SKW or any airline are good folks just trying to pay the mortgage. Pilots don't bid for flying, management does. Unfortunately, the pilots at any given airline either knowingly or unwittingly aid and abet their managment. None of us operate in a vacuum. Whatever my company does regarding pilot compensation WILL have a ripple effect throughout the industry with anyone flying similar equipment.

The other certainty is that what goes around, comes around. By that I mean whenever a potential whipsaw environment exists the current top dog will ALWAYS have their turn at a fall from grace. It's as certain as the sun comes up. Beware SkyWest pilots. You are the new target of mainline management. You'll be singing for a while, but eventually you'll be taken down by another lower bidder. Happens every time. I take no pleasure in that prediction. It's just the circle of life in the connection airline business. I also don't have the faintest idea of how to break the cycle.

To my former Comair brethren, good luck guys and gals. It was a good run for a few years. We did a great job back in '01 but, as I stated above, we didn't operate in a vacuum. We needed everyone else to pull on the rope and unfortunately, that didn't happen. To be fair, the industry took a huge hit right after we settled and the others that took their turn had a different paradigm to deal with. C'est la vie......

 

[~~~^~~~]

Ahhh the good ol east coast excuse. Many airlines loves to hide a lot of their problems under the guise of weather and ATC. If you dig deeper you will find its really the airline that is the problem overall.

If you look at the DOT stats Delta, Airtran and ASA share the bottom of the list - wonder what they have in common? Maybe closing down a runway for construction at the world's busiest airport that peaks in excess 115 arrivals per hour has something to do with delays.

Are you D'Angelo?

 

[HelloNewman]

If you look at the DOT stats Delta, Airtran and ASA share the bottom of the list - wonder what they have in common? Maybe closing down a runway for construction at the world's busiest airport that peaks in excess 115 arrivals per hour has something to do with delays.

Are you D'Angelo?

I know a few people who work over at Mesa. They tell me a lot of times they will cancel flights due to "weather" or "flow". The pilots will call ATC and they are told weather or flow is not a problem on that particular route. Look I am not saying there is no such thing as weather delays or ATC delays. I am saying that they make an easy scapegoat however. I am not this D'Angelo you speak of. I am simply stating an opinion. I don't know for 100% sure however I am definately suspicious. It is just to easy to hide problems under Weather/ATC at ALL airlines.

 

[Afixedwing]

I think my jumpseat just wen't union.

 

[SSDD]

Case in point, a couple of nights ago DL cancelled most of their late flights into SAN because of a fog forecast. Well, the fog stayed over the water and did not cover the runway. Everyone who tried got in.

 

[Tarzan]

Fins, you're pi$$ing in the wind with that guy.

I get tired of these guys gloating and carrying on as though they are the best. I am not sure why I even float real numbers. It's not worth the effort of going through the sites to find the data. Truth is that very most guys I've flown with, are ardent pros who do want to be on time even if they're not happy with the company right now. I know I do my best but after calling for water or a lav dump five times, you sorta give up. And to sit back and critisize those efforts smacks of arrogance to the highest level.

 

[Tarzan]

I know a few people who work over at Mesa. They tell me a lot of times they will cancel flights due to "weather" or "flow". The pilots will call ATC and they are told weather or flow is not a problem on that particular route. Look I am not saying there is no such thing as weather delays or ATC delays. I am saying that they make an easy scapegoat however. I am not this D'Angelo you speak of. I am simply stating an opinion. I don't know for 100% sure however I am definately suspicious. It is just to easy to hide problems under Weather/ATC at ALL airlines.

Noone has ever claimed ASA didn't have issues. But it doesn't lie in the pilot group. Even when we are ticked, it's hard to find guys who don't want to be on time.

But you sir, have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to ATL. I've hubbed out of ORD and it's a cake walk by comparison. Are the taxiways a bit more confusing? Sure, but thats what the scratch pad is for. ATL is easier on the ground but when you wait for one hour just to get wheels up, you're late at you destination and you're late getting back because you only had a 25 minute turn at the outstation.

I now my now continue to rain pi$$ upon others. But beware, the wind changes direction. Tool.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Case in point, a couple of nights ago DL cancelled most of their late flights into SAN because of a fog forecast. Well, the fog stayed over the water and did not cover the runway. Everyone who tried got in.

I'm glad you brought that up. We were #3 for the approach. First guy got in. The U.S Scareways after him had to show what a pussie he was and asked what was the vis. Screwed everybody and we had to divert to LAX.

 

[HelloNewman]

I think my jumpseat just wen't union.

Good for you our jumpseat just went non union. If that is the game you want to play all union commuters will have to pay 2% to get on board.

 

[SkyWstman]

For those of you who responded to the fact that I made 101,000 this year all ready and will clear 115,000. You made the assumption that I was anti-union. I actually sent my card in. My reasons for wanting a union have nothing to do with money. I just get tired of all the pilots that use BS line about how freakin bad we have it over here because of one rate. So, I guess if I fly the 50 seat airplane only and make 115,000 a year, then we are actually the highest paid RJ pilots around. The truth is you can manipulate anyones contract or agreement to make it look like you have a point. I was just trying to point out that most of you don't have a clue what we make over here. I am pro union for other reasons. I am not foolish enough to think that when or if we become union that somehow we are going to make 30 dollars more per hour across the board. And if your squabling over the fact that we may make 4 or 5 bucks an hour less than you, save your breath. I routinely turn down over time to the tune of 700 bucks for a days work to stay home and play with my kids.

 

[Nightrain_080]

how many years do you have at SKW?

 

[SkyWstman]

13.5 years.

 

[skywav8r]

"Mookie,

Some guys just don't get it. I hope all is well in LA and BTW I shot a 40 the other day on the front 9. I followed up with a 50 but the potential is there."



40 hah!!! I can do that in just 4 holes!!! Who needs 9 holes to get a score like that. Mookie - remember, when in sfo take the bus to the doubletree and get a bucket of balls at the driving range behind the hotel. This time say "golf-ball" so you don't get in trouble!! God, what a nice view of the FA wacking those balls!! Oh yea, for the record, 'HelloNewman' your a tool!!!!

 

[acarpe3448]

"I bet all those newhires are going to be happy... who cares if you're screwing over another pilot group as long as the upgrades stay at 18 months!"


Interesting! Sounds a lot like the Comair pilots 4 years ago! My airline is dumping jets and pilots while Comair got a billion dollars worth of brand new jets, a thousand new pilots, and upgrades, upgrades, upgrades! All the while your pilots faught our scope, filed a BS lawsuit against us to try to get more jets, bigger jets at Delta pilots expense! I assume this was all in order to get your pilots the biggest jets and improve your lifestyles! While you all got all those new jets and had F/o's making 1/4 of the Delta Pilots pay who was forced on unemployment, your union refused to even talk about hiring a Delta pilot to be a new hire F/O at the bottom of your list without giving up his senority! I can not tell you how many times I read on this message board some Comair Pilot telling me "Tough SH$$! You knew what you were getting into when you got into this career!" Well what comes around goes around! This Comair situation has gotten out of control! It's time for you guys to face the music! YOUR ON THE WAY OUT! Along with the rest of us if this US/Air deal goes through! Life is a SH$$ sandwich boys, take a bite! If you furloughed Comair guys need some info on how to extend your unemployment checks as long as possible, let me know!

 

[79%N1]

Ouch Man! Very Ouch!

 

[Afixedwing]

All of the Union Delta Connection carriers are either in contract negotiations or have contract negotiations coming up soon. I think Delta is favoring SkyWest because they don't have to worry about it's pilots going on strike.
Funny how SkyWest pretty much owns SLC while CVG & ATL have four DCI carrier a piece.

 

[rtmcfi]

Good for you our jumpseat just went non union. If that is the game you want to play all union commuters will have to pay 2% to get on board.

Brilliant!! Threaten the jumpseat! Do you think you can get the Captain to go along? There you go, embarassing the SkyWest pilot group again. You are also an embarrassment to Family Guy fans. Please change your avatar.

 

[CFI2766]

Good for you our jumpseat just went non union. If that is the game you want to play all union commuters will have to pay 2% to get on board.

Brilliant!! Threaten the jumpseat! Do you think you can get the Captain to go along? There you go, embarassing the SkyWest pilot group again. You are also an embarrassment to Family Guy fans. Please change your avatar.

Actually he was just responding to someone else who's "jumpseat just went union"...
And I'm not embarassed... I think both sides are acting pretty silly, but what else is new around here...

 

[Mookie]

SkyWav8r,

I'm in sfo today...heading to the range as we speak.

she still outdrove you in heels, and looked a hell of a lot better doing it too!
good times, bro....good times.

 

[mckpickle]

For those of you who responded to the fact that I made 101,000 this year all ready and will clear 115,000. You made the assumption that I was anti-union. I actually sent my card in. My reasons for wanting a union have nothing to do with money. I just get tired of all the pilots that use BS line about how freakin bad we have it over here because of one rate. So, I guess if I fly the 50 seat airplane only and make 115,000 a year, then we are actually the highest paid RJ pilots around. The truth is you can manipulate anyones contract or agreement to make it look like you have a point. I was just trying to point out that most of you don't have a clue what we make over here. I am pro union for other reasons. I am not foolish enough to think that when or if we become union that somehow we are going to make 30 dollars more per hour across the board. And if your squabling over the fact that we may make 4 or 5 bucks an hour less than you, save your breath. I routinely turn down over time to the tune of 700 bucks for a days work to stay home and play with my kids.

Good point. It's just hard to argue the fact when everyone seems to look at the bengamins. I honestly couldn't care about the pay too much at all. What really bothers me is that one of the largest regionals does nothing for the industry. At least union carriers help in political activities to promote laws to protect and help us. Safety considerations etc. Unions also can be on the same page to help prevent a whipsawing. But the bottom line it that without a union your company doesn't have to pay you what others do so they are able to undercut other carriers.

I didn't realize that you had 13+ years at skywest when we compared pay and I stated I've already made 78 this year and will make 85 for the year with 200 days off. If I had 13+ years at XJT my pay rate would have been over 85/hr instead of 75/hr and ytd pay would be around 87K and a total for the year of about 95K-100K ..............again, with 200 days off. Just so we are comparing apples to apples.

I commend you however for sending in your card.

 

[80for80]

double post

 

[80for80]

13.5 years.

That many years at any regional would put you in the lifer/loser category. Why didn't you get on with a major in the late 90s when they were hiring like crazy? I bet you don't have a four year degree.