12 of Comairs 70's going to Skywest

[FishandFly]

What's embarassing is that it must suck to be a SkyW pilot these days when all the other commuter pilot groups are pissed at you for something that's outside of your control. If ther tables were turned I'm sure there wouldn't be any ASA, Comair, Mesaba guys out there being pissed off that they were getting a/c from other airlines. What do you ASA and Comair guys want? You want the SkyW guys to refuse to fly the new routes or jets? Get a grip!

As far as the Union goes - That's up to the pilot group themselves. They can be the only ones to decide if they need representation. With the new pay proposal from management - I think it just might be time to have a union on prop. 1-5% and NADA for the 120 drivers just isn't right.

As for the 70 for 50 pay - Once again leave that to those who fly those jets. Are you going to say the same crap to the crews at Alaska for flying the 900 for the same rate as the 400? Maybe it's the other way around? Maybe the 400 guys are getting the better deal flying the 400 for 900 rates?

I would suggest spending your time improving your own working conditions instead of bashing the guys at Skyw for situations that are outside of their control!

My $0.02c as a former SkyW 120 driver.

Baja.

You will be singing a different tune if/when the skyw pilots take your 727 because they are willing to fly it for 50 seat RJ wages.

 

[AdSo81]

Vote in ALPA? And then what? Be like a lot of those ALPA carriers?

Sleep on the airplane during short overnights?

No pay for mechanical cancellations?

Half pay for deadheading?

No profit sharing?

Do standups just for flight pay?

Other than the 700/900 have rates that are lower than ours?

I think this pay proposal sucks and have already voted against it. But some of you guys are so full of $hit it ain't even funny. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Man...thats odd, I work for an ALPA carrier, and I still have better work rules than SKW, the only thing Im missing is the profit sharing and the 700/900s. Which IMO could be considered a moot point when your flying the 700/900s for 50 seat rates. Do you know what YOU are talking about?

 

[bvt1151]

Vote in ALPA? And then what? Be like a lot of those ALPA carriers?

Sleep on the airplane during short overnights?

No pay for mechanical cancellations?

Half pay for deadheading?

No profit sharing?

Do standups just for flight pay?

Other than the 700/900 have rates that are lower than ours?

I think this pay proposal sucks and have already voted against it. But some of you guys are so full of $hit it ain't even funny. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The Kool-Aid drinkers aren't even afraid to admit their drinking the Kool-Aid. This guy doesn't even know how crappy his contract is!

 

[SSDD]

I most certainly do! Maybe YOUR carrier has all of the above, but many don't. And that's the point.

I was a union member longer that most people on this board have been flying. I don't like Kool-Aid of either flavor. Skywest doesn't have the best situation but you know you can put an ALPA carriers name after each of the examples I posted above.

 

[Tarzan]

Vote in ALPA? And then what? Be like a lot of those ALPA carriers?

Sleep on the airplane during short overnights?

No pay for mechanical cancellations?

Half pay for deadheading?

No profit sharing?

Do standups just for flight pay?

Other than the 700/900 have rates that are lower than ours?



I think this pay proposal sucks and have already voted against it. But some of you guys are so full of $hit it ain't even funny. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The only thing I see I don't have is the standup pay.

You guys continue to believe you're in Mickey Mouse world but the market is changing. You guys will have your come uppance one day. Better to get some protection now.

And for the record, I've talked with a few SW guys that want to see this move foward. They don't trust the company and rightly so. History has proved time and time again that without protections of a legal contract, the work force will take it on the chin when the chips are down.

I am not a big union fan and there are many shortcomings too but I'll take it for now until we find we other ways to make this thing work.

 

[Willy21]

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 21, 2006 ​

SKYWEST, INC. SELECTED FOR ADDITIONAL REGIONAL JET FLYING ​

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-- SkyWest, Inc. (NASDAQ: SKYW) announced today that it has been selected for the first allocation of regional jet flying related to an existing Request For Proposal (RFP) by Delta Air Lines, Inc. (Delta). The first allocation of aircraft consists of 12 Bombardier CRJ700s, previously operated by Comair, Delta’s wholly owned subsidiary. The aircraft will serve markets from Delta’s hub in Cincinnati and will begin to transition to SkyWest, Inc. in February 2007. The aircraft will operate under a contract flying arrangement with Delta. SkyWest, Inc. has yet to determine which of its airline operating companies will operate the aircraft at Cincinnati. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Would it change your mind if SGU gave the flying to ASA?[/FONT]​

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[Tarzan]

Thoughts on SW? Nope!

 

[SSDD]

There you go. I'm sure if its awarded to ASA they'll refuse to fly!!!!!!!!!!!

This could be interesting.

 

[Willy21]

My point SSDD. Everybody is going to look out for their own interests.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I think we all know ASA won't get it. The "we haven't decided" line will be used to influence the next round of negotiations. I doubt ASA pilots will jump at the chance to take a concession just to be given the opportunity to take someone else's job.

 

[Willy21]

I bet A Voice of Reason and Joey would do it in 90 days or else.......

 

[michael707767]

Who owns the airplanes? Until we start flying planes with our own employers' name on the fuselage we're all at the mercy of who ever owns the name that is there. .

Finally, someone understands.

 

[SuperKooter]

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 21, 2006 ​

SKYWEST, INC. SELECTED FOR ADDITIONAL REGIONAL JET FLYING ​

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]-- SkyWest, Inc. (NASDAQ: SKYW) announced today that it has been selected for the first allocation of regional jet flying related to an existing Request For Proposal (RFP) by Delta Air Lines, Inc. (Delta). The first allocation of aircraft consists of 12 Bombardier CRJ700s, previously operated by Comair, Delta’s wholly owned subsidiary. The aircraft will serve markets from Delta’s hub in Cincinnati and will begin to transition to SkyWest, Inc. in February 2007. The aircraft will operate under a contract flying arrangement with Delta. SkyWest, Inc. has yet to determine which of its airline operating companies will operate the aircraft at Cincinnati. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Would it change your mind if SGU gave the flying to ASA?[/FONT]


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If it does go to ASA alpa will find a way to lose it

 

[BigLebowski]

you guys are something...because we're getting them and you're not. Wah wah wah.

It would be a whole different story if you were getting them though right?

I guess you missed the last proposal...there is a split rate.

Wah, wah...if you hate it that much...why dont' you just quit.

You make me sick.

 

[SuperKooter]

you guys are something...because we're getting them and you're not. Wah wah wah.

It would be a whole different story if you were getting them though right?

I guess you missed the last proposal...there is a split rate.

Wah, wah...if you hate it that much...why dont' you just quit.

You make me sick.

They are all talk and no action.

 

[ArcticFlier]

I guess you missed the last proposal...there is a split rate.

If the rate on the -700 and -900 are tied to the -200 rate, it ain't a split my friend. It's an override. There is a difference.

If it were truly a split rate, a potential future pay cut on the -200 wouldn't affect the -700 and the -900, right? It would the way this is structured. Can of worms..............


AF

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Why would ASA get them, we were already giving the one's we've got to Skywest. Comair is late to the screwing party, but still invited.

 

[SuperKooter]

I think this news just increased the probability of an ATL base for skywest.

 

[sweptback]

Why would ASA get them, we were already giving the one's we've got to Skywest. Comair is late to the screwing party, but still invited.

Exactly. SkyWest Airlines will operate these airplanes. I'd bet my house on it.

 

[Tarzan]

There you go. I'm sure if its awarded to ASA they'll refuse to fly!!!!!!!!!!!

This could be interesting.

How ever did you manage to construe my reply as that? I still believe that the SW pilot group will eventually find itself in hot water. Exponential growth coupled with no legal protection will spell trouble later down the road.

I have no bones with the SW group. Have lots of friends over there and I wish them all the best. But we have got to get over this bad blood between the two pilot groups. A house divided, yadda yadda.

 

[OO pilot]

If the rate on the -700 and -900 are tied to the -200 rate, it ain't a split my friend. It's an override. There is a difference.

If it were truly a split rate, a potential future pay cut on the -200 wouldn't affect the -700 and the -900, right? It would the way this is structured. Can of worms..............


AF

Hopefully more people will understand that...

SkyWest fortune could quickly change if US Airways succeeds in their Delta buyout. Let's not forget that Air Wisconsin invested in US Airways when they were in Bankruptcy, and as a result have a seat on their board now.
All that Delta Connection flying for SkyWest could go as quickly as it came...

 

["GO AROUND"]

Simple. I'd vote ALPA in.

The rediculous notion of flying 70 AND 90-seat aircraft for 50-seat pay is hurting more than the regionals. Would somebody explain to me why ALPA-represented majors aren't refusing to hire non-union Skywest pilots?

I'll answer that myself: they're too busy b!tching at the other ALPA carriers.

What a GREAT union!

Let me get this straight. Voting ALPA in will make everything better? Ok. It wouldn't change what they already have. It would improve some things but it won't change what already is. At least not overnight.

They are currently flying up to 70 seats for better than almost everyone's 50 seat rate. Granted, it is up to 99 seats but that is not what is currently going on. Next year it will be 76 seats.

Hindsight is 20/20. If they knew now back then would they have done the same? I don't believe so.

Calling them names is gonna change anything?

Whatever, I'm just tired of all the BS. Ya'll can have it. I'll be on the next job offer outta here if I can.

You can bet ASA won't get the planes! But you can bet that our managment will try to hold it over our heads. Something to the effect that "we will lose that flying if you don't take what we are offering". BLah Blah Blah.....

 

[172driver]

I have been flying on SKYW for a lot of years, being from the west coast. You guys have a good operation with good people. However, to those of you who say you have no control over where airplanes go, I call BS.

When you decided to fly for one rate, you stuck a knife in the backs of many regional pilots. When you decided to not fight when the one rate was supposed to be done, you twisted that knife.

Unfortunately, management makes the decisions on where airplanes go based largely on what pilots are willing to fly them for. So, while you didn't directly ask to fly Comair or ASA airplanes, you provided the motivation for management to give them to you, i.e. you do have some control over the situation.

Nobody is asking for you to refuse them. We are asking for you to get your chit together and raise your pay on the 70/90. I don't care if you do it with ALPA or without, just do it.

Again, I am not angry. I respect your pilot group. I hope you have the same respect for ours. When I hear you defending yourselves, as if you meant no harm to other groups, that angers me because it is ignorant. Maybe your single rate wasn't intended by you as a slap to our face, but it is being used that way by your management, and you are allowing them to get away with it, even defending it. Please try to take a look at the consequences for other DCI pilots. Furloughs, pay cuts, displacements, downgrades, relocation, starting over somewhere else, lack of bargaining power, etc. Even if you don't care about us, do it for yourselves, because it will eventually come full circle and bite you back.

 

[Terrain Terrain]

Hopefully more people will understand that...

SkyWest fortune could quickly change if US Airways succeeds in their Delta buyout. Let's not forget that Air Wisconsin invested in US Airways when they were in Bankruptcy, and as a result have a seat on their board now.
All that Delta Connection flying for SkyWest could go as quickly as it came...

in 14 years after the contracts up maybe

 

[AdSo81]

Or when somebody you fly for decides to declare bankruptcy again in the future.

 

[Medeco]

Last time i checked Skywest was only taking 13 of ASA's 70's to cover the SLC flying, ASA has 35 or so before this 13 was announced. Skywest is not taking all of ASA's 70's, so far.

Medeco

Not to mention the ATR is leaving ASA summer next year, that happens to be 12 aircraft.

 

[atrdriver]

You can insult Skywest pilots all you want but believe it or not none of us took a vote to screw you guys.

No, but I don't hear very many of you guys saying sorry either. Someday this is going to happen to you, and all I can say is karma's a bitch.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Hypothetically..........if SKYW Inc. decides to send all of SKYW Airlines -200 over to ASA, you guys would say 'sorry'. Then what? ASA does fly them for less, right?

Just curious how this would be handled any better than the SKYW guys have done it.


AF

 

[TNPILOT]

No, but I don't hear very many of you guys saying sorry either. Someday this is going to happen to you, and all I can say is karma's a bitch.

Amen. What goes around comes around.

 

[siucavflight]

Here is the full release.
http://www.skywest.com/invest/investor_releases/2006/Nov/Delta_RFP.pdf